Costong Lot Size (Variant Costing/Configuration)

We are trying to identify where to establisth multiple costing lot sizes "in general" --- and in relation to use of "Variant Configuration" in regards to Costing Variants for Varient Configurator.

Material Master -Costing 1 screen is where the Costing lot size is defined.
This can be segmented by plant.
Generally (for your standard peice part materials) you want to keep it at "1". There are some documents where SAP uses "10" or "100" this is for some rounding /calculation reasons. But this can cause other issues, and I just find it confusing to be anything other then "1" (although i have only dealt with standard, "tangible" mfg materials)
The only Costing Variant reasons I can think of are for priority of what "cost" to use (i.e. look for last purchased price, then MM standard cost, then previous, etc) I assume you are talking about running a Sales Order Cost estimate on a Configurable Material ?
Bill

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Material Cost Estimate with different lot size.

What happens if the material cost estimate is run twice using different lot sizes each time (all other parameters unchanged) for the same period?
Will the cost estimate run later overwrites the results from cost estimate run earlier (though the lot size is different)? What is the role of lot size in a material cost estimate?

The costing lot size impacts your cost estimate if you have lot size independent costs (i.e. setup cost). Those fixed costs are spread over the costing lot sizee to give you a cost per unit.. Larger costing lot sizes can also help you minimize rounding issues.
You can only have one marked cost estimate in a given period. However, you can create and save a cost estimate as many times as you want as long as you have not marked it for release. When you save the estimate it will overwrite an existing estimate. You also have the option of creating multiple estimates under different versions or with different costing variants.

CK727 -Lot size cannot be passed on in combination with mixed costing

I get below error.
We have KMAT materials and scenario is Non Valuated Sales Order Stock.
in our PPC4 - we have below settings. (Both are SAP recommended)
Qty Structure tab we have Pass on Lot size "1" with individual requirements (must of Non Valuated Sales) and
Transfer Control "PC03" has "Current Std Cost" with "Transfer only with Collective requirements"
I just created a mixed cost qty structure. In it I even added Costing type "01". Sales order costing type is "18".
Mixed costing works as expected. However we are unable to create any Sales Orders.
Lot size cannot be passed on in combination with mixed costing
Message no. CK727
Diagnosis
For costing variant PPC4 and costing version 01, it was defined in Customizing that a mixed cost estimate should be created for quantity structure category M0001. At the same time, it was defined in the costing variant that the Pass_on_lot_size function should be active.
System Response
Mixed costing cannot be carried out simultaneously with Pass on lot size . Costing cannot be proceeded with.
Any help is appreciated.

Hi Kala,
system's response is correct
In the standard program the combination of mixed costing and
simultaneously pass on lot size is not possible.
Please review SAP Notes 402440, 584420 and 749128 .
In particular the SAP Note 402440 describes the determination of the
costing lot size at a mixed costing in detail.
br, Guido

Mixed-price variance & Lot size variance

Dears Gurus,
Can anyone give a detail explanation & examples of Mixed-price variance & Lot size variance?
(After reading sap library, I still didn't get clear idea)
Thanks
Ellie

Mixed Price Variance :- This is the variance between a standard price that was calculated in a mixed calculation for more than one procurement alternative and the costing of a procurement alternative.
For Example : Standard Cost was made for a Raw Material A purchased from 2 sources ( X and Y ) with 50/50 ratio..
Actuals it was made of a Raw Material A purchased from X and Y ( in 25:75 ratio ).
The same can happen for production versions also . Standard May have version 1 and 2 (in 50:50 ratio).. actual have version 1 and 2 ( 40: 60) ratio .
Lot Size Variance : Variance due to effect of lot-size-independent costs when the lot size is changed .
For Example : we may have consumables cost per 10000 lot size . Original Lot size during creation of standard is 10000 .
Actually lot size was 150000 .. hence due to change the lot size.. the cost has increased and its lot size variance..
Hope it clarifies..
Regards
Sarada

Pass on lot size" function not supported in costing runs

hi when i am doing cost estimate through ck40n i am getting following error.
Pass on lot size" function not supported in costing runs
Message no. CK463
Diagnosis
You have selected costing variant PPC1 for the costing run. The Pass on lot size indicator is set in this costing variant. Costing variants in which this indicator is set cannot be used by the costing run.
System Response
The costing run is not created.
Procedure
You have the following options:
Reset the Pass on lot size indicator in costing variant PPC1 so that the lot size is not passed on.
Use a different costing variant in which the Pass on lot size indicator is not set.
if any one had found any same king of error please help me in fix it.
thanks
kareem

Probably this might be the cause
Sales order by Costing
Check out the below
Pass On Lot Size
Definition
If this indicator is selected, the system determines the costing lot size using the lot size of the highest material in the BOM and the input quantities of the components.
Use
1) Do not pass on lot size
If this indicator is not selected, the materials further down in the structure are costed in accordance with the lot size in the costing view of the material master record. When the materials in the next-highest costing level are costed, the costing results of the semifinished materials are converted to the lot size of the finished material to calculate the material costs for the finished product.
2) Pass on lot size only with individual requirement
In the MRP view of the material master record, you can specify that a material is planned as an individual requirement. If such a material is added to another material, costing uses the lot size of the highest material.
3) Always pass on lot size
Here, the costs for all the materials in a multi-level BOM are calculated using the costing lot size of the highest material. This function is used principally in sales order costing.
If you are costing sales orders using product costing for a material with a multilevel BOM that is produced in-house, choose 2) or 3) . For those individual requirements materials, from a business management point of view it is recommended that the order lot size be used when costing the material components going into the finished product. On the other hand, materials subject to collective requirements are generally costed using the costing lot size in the material master record.
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Lot Size for Split Cost

Hello,
My company has just had SAP installed and I am trying to confirm whether there is a general calculation in SAP or whether it is due to the configuration that has been choosen from our implementor.
I have costed some materials we have setup as a split cost (choice of either purchased or manufactured) and setup the mixing ratio. I then cost it but SAP generates the Lot size automatically and this can not be changed.
i.e. 90%:10% split gives a lot size of 280 (252 and 28) and 50%:50% split gives a lot size of 200 (100 and 100).
Please can you confirm that this is normal and also if it can be overriden?
Thank you for your assistance

Hi,
This is a normal behaviour of the system.
regards,
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Is it possible to change the Costing Lot size for preference calculation?

Hi Gurus,
Is it possible to change the costing lot size for the preference calculation?
Reason for my question is: We have all prices on price unit 100
and we want to use also the price unit 100 for preference calcalation.
But the preference calculation always take price unit 1.
Is there any possibility to set somewhere the costing lot size for pref.calculation?
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Dieter

Does really nobody has a hint?

Default costing lot size and price unit as 100 in material master

Hello,
The costing lot size and price unit is "1" by default in material master. Due to this in CK11N the costing lot size is coming as 1.
Then we go to MM02 and change the master by making costing lot size as 100 and price unit as 100.
Please advise how can we make this default as 100 instead of 1 in material master. So that everytime we don't need to change.
Is it coming from BOM?
Please suggest.
Regards,
Tapan

Hi Tapan
No doubts, it is ABAP's responsibility to develop it.. It requires ABAP code to be written
The functional specifications need to be given by you.. This BADI is called during Mat Master Creation/Change.. Your Func Specs should cover
1. Which Mat types it should be used for
2. The costing lot size and price unit to be defaulted...
I used it to check Plant = Profit Center and it worked... For whatever checks and validations required during Mat Master creation, this badi needs to be used
Regards
Ajay M

Costing lot size error

Hi Experts,
We have repetitive manufacturing here. I just want to know for cost estimate (Product cose collector) which lot size system will take for costing so also if scrap is also there.
Regards,
Shivkumar Dachawar

Hi Shivkumar
Plz go through the below link hope that it will be useful to you.
http://help.sap.com/SAPHELP_470/Helpdata/EN/90/ba64b7446711d189420000e829fbbd/content.htm

Costing Lot size in Master Material

Hi All,
May i know any settings for default the Costing Lot Size follow by material type?
Example:
Material A - Type is ZFIN - So after i upload material into MM the Costing Lot Size will auto prompt 10,000
Material B - Type is ZPAC - So after i upload material into MM the Costing Lot Size will auto prompt 1,000
Thank You.

Hi,
There is not setting or Config to set Material Type wise Costing Lot size.
System will read the data from MARC-MARC while running the standard cost estimate as per the standard process of SAP-Costing.
Regd.
Khan.

Costing Lot size in CK11N

Hi,
When we do Cost estimates using CK11N or CK40N the lot size arising is not the costing lot size (We gave 1000).
For ex: We gave lot size as 1000, system give 987 or 990 etc.
I have checked if scrap is playing any role in the calculation. But this is coming for materials even without scrap.
Please let me know what might be causing the problem.
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Naveen

HI,
Is it for all the materials or for some of the materials.
Check the material master, is it maintained wrongly with some value.
Check in the BOM, is there any scrap % is maintained. Check in the material master also the scarp %.
One more thing, Maintain material master with 1000 as lot size and run CK11n for the same material. Let us know the out come.
Vijay

Weekly lot size configure

How can i configure the weekly lot size which should plan the matrilal in the week days not at the start of the week .
as per my knowledge if it is weekly then As standard the system tries to schedule the receipts for the first requirements date in a period for the weekly lot size (WB).
for WB (weekly lot size ) it will not accept the other lot size in the customization.
Plz let me know
Regards
piyush

Hello sir ,
Thanks for the reply ,
The requirement is a new lot size like WB, but the End of planning time fence (10days ) should not be rounded to the start of next week.
actually our client wants to use the Planning time fence 10 days & total replinishment time 10 days for the material & that should consider in the planning the material & in the MD04 screen also it should look with the same date .
i have mentain the planning time fencce 10 & total replinishment type 10 days but when i see the md04 it is showing the differant dates to me
example from todays date for
todays date 31.04.2009 (5 day working as per the factory calendar)
19.04.10 -- end of time fence
If i want "End of planning time fence" date is same like "End replenishment lead time.
14.04.10 -- end of replinishment time
14.04.10 -- end of time fence
how i will achive this .
I have used the material with firming type but i am not able to see the the replinishment time in the MDo4 as mrp element as a .
please provide me a details .
Thanks in advance
regards
piyush
Edited by: PiyushY on Mar 31, 2010 4:25 PM

Configure lot size for MRP

Hi Experts,
I would like to configure lot size for 3 monthly, can any one explain me the configuration procedures?
Thanks alot
Rgds,

Hi Vivek,
I copied the Z3 form MB, and changed the no of periods into 3. and there're no difference between material assigned with Z3 or MB.
We haven't activated MRP4 view, do I have to activate that view first to make this happen?
for your additional info, I use MRP type (configured) based on ROP.
Pls help.
Thanks

Sequence dependent lot-size planning as a basis for PP/DS blocks?

Hi ,
I consider the following system setup for a Mill Products planning implementation .
1) In SNP one performs SOP planning with common goals to adjust sales plan, establish equipment maintenance plan, transportation plan, etc. The first month of the SNP plan is supposed to be in daily buckets. Using the SNP optimizer is a good option since the business goal is to use equipment more efficiently, let's say to minimize setup costs, and there are warehouse limitations for semifinished products as well.
2) In PP/DS we are going to use CDP and block planning since it is the best practice.
3) SNP planned orders can be used as a basis for PP/DS blocks on the resource, upon the condition that the configuration of SNP product - kmat variant and block requirements match.
In SNP i see that the SNP PDS has a duration of 1 day (that's fine), but the sequence dependent lot-size planning requires a bucket of at least 1 week long (1 month in my case) since the SNP orders are sequence-optimized only inside of one bucket. The result of such an optimization are additional counters assigned to SNP orders according to their sequence minimizing setup costs. However, orders are not scheduled according to the sequence.
So far it looks like such a combination is not useful as
- Orders in monthly buckets are not scheduled on days and cannot serve as a basis for block dates proposal for PP/DS block planning.
- If a product production volume is less than 1 day, SNP cannot create any more detailed block in principle since the minimal time bucket is daily bucket.
I searched over forums on these or similar topics, however no definitive answer so far for the question in the subj.
Could anyone bring more light on this ? Maybe I am missing something in the setup or sequence dependent lot size planning was designed for other purposes/industries?
Best regards
Vladimir

Hello Asim,
Issue one
in product selection for propagation range you can set your selection criteria which selects the products dynamically. You just have to change your report variants for planning run. Do I misunderstand your concerns?
Issue two
Changing to planning procedure 1 will not delete the PFE but will prevent APO to create a new entry after any MRP-relevant changes happen or heuristic SAP_PP_020 (which creates the initial entry and does the low level code determination) is run.
In some cases procedure 1 will still create a PFE. Please check customizing for details. Thats why I would recommend to create a new planning procedure with "no reactions".
As soon as you prevent APO from creating new PFEs you can just once delete the PFEs in /SAPAPO/NETCH by just setting the first column for these materials blank (select your materials, mark column, delete indicator).
Corresponding table to MDVM is /SAPAPO/PEGKEY. Indicator for PP/DS is NETCH_RRP.
If material is not planned in APO you do not need a PFE in APO.
Issue 3
Maybe utilize table /SAPAP/PEGKEY
As I said if you prevent creating the entry you just have to delete (set indicator blank) once.
Hope that helps.
Regards,
Uli

How to perform Data Collection on single SFC with QTY = 1 with material lot size 1?

Dear experts,
We are working with SFC qty>1 on a relaxed routing. At a given operation we want to collect the data on single quantity; i.e. SFC qty on that operation, where the collection will happen, will be 1.The corresponding material lot size is for ex 10. The operator must be able to collect data on SFC with qty=1 multiple times until the quantities will be consumed. He must be also able to collect other values on the remaining quantities on the same operation with the same DC group or other DC groups. How many times the data must be collected is dependent on the shop order build quantity. The data may be collected several time but not more than the build qty. In other words some specific data will be collected on a qty of a product while others will be collected against remaining quantity. The data collection must be also done in a serialized manner.
Here's what we have set up so far:
1) 3 DC groups, each DC group has 3 data fields.
2) Each data field has the following restrictions: Required Data Entries = 0 and Optional Data Entries = 1
3) All DC groups are attached on the same combination of operation\material\routing
4) we are using relaxed routing
Process description:
The operator must be able to collect any data field on single product. For that he will enter the operation where the data collect are attached, he will enter the SFC with qty=1 then he will run the data collection after selecting the appropriate DC Group and entering the needed information. The operator will complete the SFC with qty=1.
The operator will pick the next product, select the same SFC and enter qty 1 and collect other value against this product.
Problem is:
Once the first collection is done on a given SFC with entered qty=1, the system is not allowing the operator to do further collects on the same SFC with qty=1 or any other quantity. He cannot select any DC group from the DC group list. We tried also with the table selection menu on the DC Group list but nothing can be selected.
So we tried to play around with the DC group definitions as follows:
A) we set Required Data Entries = 0 and Optional Data Entries = 10. Still the operator was not able to select any DC group after collecting data the first time. We tried to reopen the pod and list again. But we get the same blocking behavior.
B) we set Required Data Entries = 10 and Optional Data Entries = 1. The operator was able to select the DC group after collecting data the first time. BUT operator must enter the data fields 10 times on one SFC quantity, which is not what we want. Besides again he cannot collect other information on remaining quantities on the same operation.
C) There's an option to serialize the SFC before reaching the operation where the collection is happening, then merging ofter complete. Automation is needed here; hence customization. We are highly avoiding customization now, since we expect the data collect to work well on single quantities even when the main SFC has qty>1
Questions:
1) Are we missing any kind of further configuration\setup?
2) Or the current system design does not allow collecting data on single quantities of an SFC which main quantity is greater than 1?
3) Looking at this link Approaches to Collection of Data - SAP Manufacturing Execution (SAP ME) - SAP Library, there's nothing mentioned about same SFC number with multiple quantities!!!
We are using SAP ME 15.0.3.0.
Thanks in advance for your help
Ali

Ali
to collect data for the same SFC multiple times, your system rule "Allow Multiple Data Collection" needs to be set to true for the site.
Stuart

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