Decesion of Costing base COPA over Account base

Dear Gurus,
I have read the defination of costing based and account based copa and understood the conceptual part of it.
On what basis does a a particular business determines that whether they will have to go for costing or account based copa or both ? In other words what are the parameter that I have to keep in mind before I suggest any of the copa method to the business?
Thanks

Hi
Costing based COPA is always preferred over Acct Based COPA (ABC), for the following reasons
Costing based vs. Account based copa (ABC)
a. Account based copa uses transaction tables and hence affects performance of CO transactions
b. Estimated values not possible in ABC (Stat Values)
c. Reports based on line items not possible in ABC
d. Actual Top Down distribution not available in ABC
e. Revaluation of actual data to plan data is not available in ABC
f. No key figure schemes are available in ABC
g. COGS breakup cant be achieved in ABC
Explanation on (b) - Using stat values, you can take tax values also to COPA.. i.e. you create a Stat cond type with 100% condition record on Sale Tax Cond Type... Hence, you can take tax values to COPA
If you use ABC, you cant use Stat Values.. And tax account being a balance sheet account cant be taken to COPA
Regards
Ajay M

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. Account based
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Edited by: S Jayram on Dec 18, 2007 3:24 PM

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