HDV to MPEG2 - de-interlace or not?

I need to catch up. I'm outputting HDV 1080i to MPEG2. Normally I've just done this straight through Compressor, default setting... Looks find on a TV set (anyone remember those things?).
But so many are using computers and LCD screens now ... the interlacing is a bit obvious. Should I be de-interlacing for my DVD MPEG2's now?
I tried a quick de-interlace through Compressor. Bad. If I should be de-interlacing, what would you recommend as a de-interlace formula? I do have Joe's Filters, and perhaps two or three other de-interlace plug-ins, plus FCP's de-interlace filter. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
Ben

De-interlacing is not the magical cure-all that many seem to to think.
The reason? It throws away half of the vertical resolution. Your 1080 is now 540 lines. So much for HD.
DVD Video standard compliant discs aren't HD.
When you play your DVD on a set top player with a CRT screen, it will be displayed correctly.
Using the DVD player in Mac OS X, there is an option in the View menu to de-interlace on playback with three quality settings. The best one is "Adaptive" and only applied as and when needed.
LCD television displays have similar settings. All are preferable to stripping out half the information in your master file before it has even been burned to disc.
Best solution: shoot and edit in 1080P.

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Recently we've started shooting with a Canon XH A1 in 1080/50i. We capture as HDV and the footage looks stunning in FCP. But when we export (tried various formats and codecs) the resulting movie have every frame being a combination of its two interlaced frames - not sure if thats the right way to describe it, but the following still shows it pretty well.
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http://www.fatsand.com/videos/DoubleFrames_Testv1.mov
But I don't want to have to de-interlace all my footage, otherwise I might as well have shot in 25p!
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To interlace or not to interlace...

I've got a project where I'm mixing HDV 720P and DVCAM 60i footage. I'm using ProRes as my timeline codec. My final destination is DVD. So to maintain the sharpest image for TV on DVD playback I'm wondering whether I should have interlacing on in Sequence Settings. I know that Compressor will interlace anyway as part of the DVD Best Quality transcode, so I'm wondering whether interlacing in my timeline is good or bad for my footage, particularly the progressive stuff. Or is the difference negligible? Any thoughts? Just to complicate matters I also have some HDV 1080i shots as well. They have the shift fields filter applied to modify from upper to lower.

joey848 wrote:
I know that Compressor will interlace anyway as part of the DVD Best Quality transcode
That's not actually correct. If your timeline is 23.976, Compressor will just leave it at 23.976 all the way through the MPEG-2 encoding process. You'll end up with 23.976 footage on your DVD, and the player itself — the actual piece of home-entertainment equipment — will be responsible for inserting pulldown if necessary.
The question you're asking isn't whether your timeline should be interlaced or not. The question you're asking is whether you should conform your 60i footage to 60p, or conform your 60p footage to 60i.
There's no easy answer in this case, because you're not just conforming timebases. You're also scaling. You're taking 720p60 and 1080i60 footage down to 480. That means you're going to be destroying any field structure in your HD footage anyway, by scaling it down.
Since none of your source footage is p24, it makes no sense to work at 23.976. Since DVD only supports 480p24 and 480i60, that leaves you with just one practical option.
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Ok Im a bit confused and cannot seem to get a straight direction on this. I shoot in 30fps 1080i, I capture in HD via firewire, I edit and when outputting for regular DVDs do I encode UPPER FIELD first since the source media is HD or LOWER FIELD first because it is doing to DV.
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Where is my Commedore 64 when I need it?

Choose the correct field order for your
export format when exporting, in this case DV.
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Who needs a Commodore 64 when you have a Vic 20! ;)
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Hey Tim
you are working in HDV, correct?
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