Joint production

Dear all,
Below is the joint production scenario,
1. Co-product tick is maintained for both the material 51 & 44
2. Production order is created for 51 material.
3. Since I have maitained 44 material as co-product (Maintained Joint production in Material master) , When I am looking for Standard SAP report (Eg COOIS) I could able to extract only for 51 material not for 44 material even though it is a joint production.
Pls clarify anything better can be done
Subbu.

Dear ,
You have created Production Order for 51 not for 44. 44 is the addiotnal product genreted in the process .COOIS is a Production Order Information system report refernce to Production Order or planned order .So system is doing correctly by cheking Order type and plant code with a combinaiton of material and order status to give your production order relevent information .
Now , here you can also check the material 44 , if you select Documents Good Movement and Standrd Profile in COOIS and Enter order type and plant .Excute with thsi selection will list down all thr Movement type like 101 , 531 , 261 , 262 , 102 ETC .
Here u will find the material 44 as it is postive qty to inventory but negitive goods issue against 531
Check this and come back
Regrads
JH

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Thanks Rajesh and All,
Thanks a lot for helping me out...
Well i got the clear confirmation from SAP AG on this issue. Please see the details below.
Update from SAP.
"Thank you for contacting SAP Active Global Support.
Unfortunately the process repetitive manufacturing with product cost collectors does not support co-production
(see also chapter Cost Object Controlling -> Product Cost By Period ->
Special Requirements in Joint Production).
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I am sorry for the negative answer this time.
SAP Support."

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