No discount, no prorate when switched to "more everything plan" mid month?

I have switched to the "more everything" plan in the middle of the month. When I received a bill, it turned out that
- they backdated the change to the beginning of the billing cycle (I did not ask for it)
- they did not give me $25 Edge discount for the first month
I called customer service twice, and both times I was stonewalled, but with two completely different theories.
Lady #1 (Lolita) told me that I would incur data and minute overages if I started the new plan in the middle of the month (actually, I would not). Then she said she was able to prorate my plan and gave me some discount. As for the lack of $25 edge discount for the first month, she declared that I can get it only if I give up my employee discount (21%), which is a total **. I requested to talk to a supervisor, and I was told he will call me within an hour, but he did not.
Lady #2 (Ashley) told me that there are no traces of the change Ashley has allegedly made, and if I do plan change in the middle of a cycle (a.k.a. "on demand change"), I would have to pay for BOTH plans for this month . So they did me a favor by backdating the switch for me. She also told me that I am not getting the Edge discount for the first month, because they refunded the money I paid for my previous plan for this month and "it's a wash" (whatever that means). She was unable to explain how refunding the money for the old plan bears any influence on the presence or lack of a discount in the new plan. She also indicated that lady #1 was incorrect in telling me that first month discount is incompatible with the employee discount (of course she was). I demanded to talk to a supervisor and was told that I will get a call back in 72 hours.
What a mess! I've been using Verizon for 14 years, and I don't recall such an abysmal customer service.
I also tried to find a way to start a billing dispute in writing, so I get some material evidence of the ludicrous "explanations" I am being given, but I did not find any way to contact Verizon Wireless in writing - all the avenues I explored on the web site ended up with "call the customer service number". Is there a way to send them an e-mail, or a snail mail letter?

I recently switched to the 10gb more everything plan, I have 3 lines that weren't under contract with smartphones we own and they got the $25 discount. I have 1 new line that we added with an old smartphone that we own and they get the $25 discount. Also have several other lines on the edge program and they get the $25 disocunt, along with the charge for the new phone.

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