OKB9 - Account based costing

Hello All,
Which all set of cost element generally we link in OKB9 in Account based costing.
Do I need to link all my Revenue accounts / Sales reduction / COGS / Materials. Please guide me.
Best Regards
Vijay Purohit
Moderator: Please, search SDN

Hi,
The major difference between Account Based CO-PA and Costing Based CO-PA is in transferring the Cost and Revenue from Billing.
Cost of Goods Sold will be transferred to Account based CO-PA while delivery is done against the Sale Order as the FI entry is generated and the value will flow via Cost Elements. Revenue will flow to CO-PA at the time Billing is done same way as FI entry is generated and via Cost Element. (No seperate mapping is required to transfer the Cost and Revenue)
Whereas in case of Costing Based CO-PA both the COGS and Revenue will be transferred at the same time when Billing is done as the values flows via Condition type in Sales Order. (Condtion type are mapped to Value flows in CO-PA)
Other than these, if you want to transfer other costs, you can do so using OKB9, Cost Center cycles to CO-PA etc.,
Hope this helps in understanding the difference.
Kind Regards
Umapathi G

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check this out
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What is the Differance between the Cost Based Costing and Account Based Costing ?

You can check sap note 69384
COSTING-BASED PROFITABILITY ACCOUNT-BASED PROFITABILITY
ANALYSIS ANALYSIS
OBJECTIVE
o profitability and sales accounting
o evaluation of market segments (for example,
customers, product groups, sales areas) and corporate
units (for example, division, sales organization) with
regard to their profit or contribution margins
o calculation of profits procedures
- cost-of-sales accounting
- interim and reconciled sales report
- periodic and transaction-based allocation
- Profitability Analysis on the basis of full and
direct costs
o posted and costing-based values o account-based values
o can be reconciled with FI for o always reconciled with
account groups (revenues, sales FI on account level
deductions, costs of goods
Note 69384 - Information: Account-based Profitability Analysis
manufactured, and so on)
DATA STRUCTURES
o definition of operating concerns o definition of operating
with fixed characteristics and concerns with fixed and useruser-
defined characteristics defined characteristics
and value fields
o cumulative storage by posting o cumulative storage by
periods and weeks posting periods
o storage in operating concern o controlling area currency,
currency (as of Release 4.0 also company code currency
optional in company code currency and transaction currency
if req.)
o user-definable summarization levels
FUNCTIONS
o transfer of profit relevant o transfer of profit-relevant
business transactions from SD, FI activities from SD, FI, CO, MM
CO, MM (revenues, sales deductions (revenues, sales deductions and
and costs organized by value fields) costs organized by accounts)
o Derivation of characteristics from master
data or using derivation rules
o Realignments also for data that is already
posted
o Valuation
(Costs of goods manufactured, imputed
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o sales and profit planning o profit planning
- flexible layout - flexible layout
- periodic distribution - periodic distribution
- valuation, revaluation - forecast procedure
- forecast procedure - top-down distribution
- top-down distribution - simulation
- simulation
o profit analysis by means of 'interactive drill-down
reporting'
- Report Painter
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- drill-down
- key figure systems
- flexible hierarchies
- navigation between reports
- exception reporting
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- Exporting (Excel, Winword, Mail)

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Hi,
Can anyone tell me, what is Account-based costing? What is role of it ?

Hi,
Two forms of Profitability Analysis are supported: costing-based and account-based.
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/en/7a/4c37ef4a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/content.htm
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It has been asked dozens of time. Please, search SDN or lookt in http://help.sap.com
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/7a/4c37ef4a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/frameset.htm

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We have recently activated account-based COPA and in our SO, we realized the Profitability Segment being populated- that is not a problem in normal scenarios.
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1. Go to OVF3 t-code and configure a default cost center for the order reason
2. Change the SD Document Category under 'Define Sales Document Types' to 'I- Order w/o charge'.
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Please advise me for the following issue.
Presently, My client using Cost-based COPA for segment wise reporting.( Already activated).
Now they wanted the reports in Account Based. Is it possible to activate the Account based now? Will the system allow us to activate or not?
If yes, What will be the implications? I want to know the pros and cons for that.
If not, How Can I edit the COPA settings( Operating concern)? Or shall I delete the Operating concern and create one new one?
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You can deactivate Account Based COPA, but you will have to do a thorough testing so that you are aware of the issues that can crop up
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For those who may need an answer to this, our solution was the following:
1)       Created new types for SO, SO Item, Sched. Line, Delivery, Delivery Item, Billing type
2)       Created new Pricing procedure
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Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
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Let me try to answer to get full points from you. It is a very tricky question.
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I am worried if system avoid untick the indicator of accounting based and back to active flag=2. It is important i ask in this forum because we only have 1 server for development and sandbox.
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