Planning on secondary cost element_cost category 21(internal settlement)

Good Day
I would like to know whether it is possible to do planning on secondary cost element with a cost category 21
The internal cost element is used to settle order costs or project costs to objects in Controlling (CO), such as orders, profitability segments, cost centers, and projects. I would like to allocate a plan value to the secondary cost element because the cost element is found in a sttlement profile for a Plant Maintenenance(PM) work order and at the period end the actuals is moved from PM order to the internal order settlement cost element. However this is a problem cause the planning values is allocated to the primary cost element and the actual values are posted to the cost element with cost catergory 21 during order settlement.
Please advise and if possible give me a workable solution to solve my problem.
Regards
Ropetra

Good Day
Thank you for you response. I would like some more detail on the following:
Please can you advise me as to where and how you set up the settlement for planned values on the secondary cost element_cost category 21(internal settlement)
Regards

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I checked the system, and during the secondary cost element (CE) creation, I can select some of the CE category as follows:
21 Internal settlement
31 Order/project results analysis
41 Overheads
42 Assessment
43 Internal activity allocation
50 Project-related incoming orders: Sales
51 Project-related incoming orders: Other
52 Project-related incoming orders: Costs
61 Earned value
My question, what kind of report that I can read entries with these kind of CE?
Reason: I want to check what has been posted to these secondary CE.
Or
Could anyone explain the use of above-mentioned CE category in brief?
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Cost element that is used to allocate costs for internal activities.
Most often used categories are
21 Internal settlement
(When ever an order is settled e.g internal order settling to cost center through this type of cost elements)
31 Order/project results analysis
(WIP in production orders are calculated and posted using this category)
41 Overheads
(Used in costing sheet to do an overhead allocation)
42 Assessment
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43 Internal activity allocation
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I´m studying to certificate in FI CO and I have a question that my instructor asked us, which was in a recent exam.
What planning areas generates secondary costs?
a.Inventory planning in PCA
b.Periodic posting in the plan
c.Activity input planning
d.planning of SKF that are used as basis for plan allocation.
e.activity type planning
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Nicolas
Welcome to SDN
The answer is "Activity Input Planning" and
Check this link in the last line
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/08/5148e543b511d182b30000e829fbfe/frameset.htm
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Could any one please let me now how to create secondary cost element in SPRO.
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You can create secondary cost elements in KA06. There is no pre-requisite of creating GL accounts.
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primary and secondary. Primary cost elements arise through the consumption of
production factors that are sourced externally. Secondary cost elements arise
through the consumption of production factors that are provided internally.
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Financial Accounting.
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Primary Cost and Revenue Elements respectively.
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Assignment determines the transactions for which you can use the cost element.
You can create cost elements automatically by making default settings that are used
To specify the cost element, or cost element interval that you wish to create.
You can create cost elements manually in bulk with the help of LSMW or BDC.
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1 - Primary costs / cost-reducing revenues
3 - Accrual / deferral per surcharge
4 - Accrual / deferral per debit = actual
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43 - Internal activity allocation
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Hello.
I'm not allowed to use a secondary cost element in a reposting.
What do I have to modify?
Thank You

Hello,
You cannot use secondary cost element. You need to use primary only.
Please go through the following:
DISTRIBUTION =========== Distribution was created for transfer primary costs from a sender cost center to receiving controlling objects. During distribution, only cost centers or business process can be used as sender. A distribution receiver can be a cost center, WBS element, internal order, cost object, or a business process. You can restrict the number of receiver categories in customizing. Primary Postings (such as, energy costs) are collected on a cost center, and allocated at the end of the period by means of the user-defined key. You can only distribute primary costs. During this process, the original cost element remains the same. Line items are posted for the sender as well as for the receiver, enabling the allocation to be recorded exactly. You can reverse distributions as often as required. You use the Cycle-Segment method to define sender-receiver relationships. PERIODIC REPOSTING ================= Differences between periodic reposting and distribution are due to information content and performance. For periodic reposting, no separate credit record is written on the sender for the cost element in the summary report. Instead, the totals record for the cost element is reduced on the debit side, which means that the original debit amount can no longer be checked there (u201Cunclean creditu201D). However, during distribution, the system writes a totals record for the credit (u201Cclean creditu201D). The information on the receiver is the same for periodic reposting and distribution (u201Cclean debitu201D). Compared with periodic reposting, during distribution, the system also updates the partner in the totals record for the sender. This means that the partner can be displayed in the information system on the totals record level. As fewer totals records are written during periodic reposting, performance is better than during distribution. ASSESSMENT =========== Assessment was created to transfer primary and secondary costs from a sender cost center to receiving controlling objects. During assessment, cost center or business processes can be used as senders. The receivers for an assessment can be a cost center, WBS element, internal order, cost object, or a business process. You can restrict the number of receiver categories in customizing. Primary and secondary posting are allocated at the end of the period by the user-defined key. During assessment, the original cost elements are summarized into assessment cost elements (secondary cost element category = 42). As the system writes fewer total records, the assessment has a better performance than periodic reposting and distribution. The system does not display the original cost elements in the receivers. Therefore, assessment is useful if the cost drilldown for the receiver is not important. Similar to distribution, the partner is updated in the totals record during distribution You can reverse assessments as often as required. You use the Cycle-Segment method to define sender-receiver relationships. Regards, Ravi

Settle Secondary Cost from WBS to AUC

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Here is what SAP help says for cost element category 90:
90: Cost Elements for Balance Sheet Accounts in FI
Automatically assigned when you create cost elements in CO whose general ledger accounts in FI are asset reconciliation accounts (special balance sheet accounts), not income statement accounts. You cannot change this category in CO master data maintenance.
FI does not require CO account assignments to cost elements of category
90. However, if you enter an account assignment, it is only recorded statistically for true objects.
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I have a allocations question.
We're freezing (copying) our plan values every year to say plan version B0.
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Line item report on secondary cost element (cat - 21)

Hi Gurus,
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Hi Mohit,
I hope you can have line item report @ order and WBS element stright away...
for orders use: KOB1 transaction code for actual line items, where you have the facility of entering CE or CE group to find the vaues related to particular cost elements in the order. If you are flexible with CEs related to 21, give there otherwise create a CE group specific to 21 category and enter the group and find the results you want.
same way for WBS elements/projects: we have transaction code CJI3 for actual line items, here also we can enter CE or CE groups
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Seconday Cost element Category Uses and Importance.

Hi ,
Can any one explain me the seconday cost element uses and importance in cost accounting ?
Especially for the Cost element categories
21-Internal setellment.
42-Assesment.
43.Internal Activity allocation.
32-Order/Project result analysis.
when to use which cost element Category and examples.
I understand in the Cost sheet for the Overhead Calculation we use Seconday CE category 41.
But in the Allocation structure at the time of giving the Cost elements, i will get confused to assign the CE's.
This will be the great help.

Hi Prad,
21-Internal setellment - This category of cost element is used to settle the costs collected in a cost object to another cost object within Controlling. You cannot settle to FI or any toher Module using this category of Cost Element
42-Assesment
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You made assignments to several objects in CO (cost center, order, project etc.). 2 of these have been created as true objects.
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1) One Chart Of Accounts has one or more Controlling Areas. Is there any situation where One Controlling Area contains many Chart Of Accounts.
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1) One Chart Of Accounts has one or more Controlling Areas. Is there any situation where One Controlling Area contains many Chart Of Accounts. Never
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Hi,
Secondory cost is a re allocation of Primary cost. It should not be considered if you are considering primary cost. Secondary cost is used for analysis and should not be confused with Primary cost
Ex. Cost gets collected to cost centers, The activity is a carrier which carries cost to Process/ production order. So that doent mean that the cost is gernerated twice once you book the financial and second when you acutally allocate the cost.
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