Results Analysis - Cost based POC method without margin

Hello Experts,
I would like to use the standard method - 03 , Cost based POC method but without margin. That means,
1. System will calculate POC based on the actual costs and planned costs.
2. Calulated revenue is created by multiplying the POC and the planned revenue.
Here, Till the actual revenue is more than the planned costs, calculated revenue should be made equal to the actual costs.
I have created standard method -03 and in the expert mode i have changed the profit indicator to " E - Profit Realization if actual revenue greater than planned costs"
This works for first period when there is no actual revenue. After the actual revenue which is less than the planned cost,
this does not work.
Please let me know if you have any suggestion
Thanks
Regards
Srinivasan Desingh

in our projects I used to sit with CO consultant and do a lot of RA testing by changing different fields and finally reach the required result. Hit and Trial method (so it is hard to remember exactly what happen while changing a single field as there are many fields in expert mode). May be you can also try the same.

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If you deal with Production environment you always have to be careful... The system will start to log a status information as time dependent for Result Analysis only on a going forward basis, so it will not impact your old projects.
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For calculating work in process ( WIP calculation)
For results analysis
Work in Process
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Hi Srinu
Thank u very much for ur help. It is working fine . Also ls confirm on these
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Robert

Hi Sarada,
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However in Results Analysis Version in OKG2 I see the Technical RA Cost Element only in simplified control (Costs Elements Off). In u201CCosts Elements Onu201D control I see the following Cost Elements for Results Analysis Data:
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2. Calculated Costs
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6. Revenue Surplus
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While setting up Results Analysis for the POC method (03) and executing transaction KKA2, we got the following message. Both the CO version and the RA version are set to the same valuation (Group valuation). Any help would be appriciated.
Basic RA version must have valuation category "0" (operational valuation)
Message no. KJ436
Diagnosis
If a version has actual data (see basic version setting), it must be relevant to settlement in results analysis (see maintenance of version of results analysis).
If a version does not have actual data (see basic version setting), it cannot be relevant to settlement in results analysis (see maintenance of the version of results analysis).
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1. Check the basic version setting in the maintenance of the general versions.
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Hai Mikhail
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In OKG2 - need to maintain the RA version with respect to the Controlling Area like 0 or 1.
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If all these maintained u will definetelu get the KKA2 result.
ENJOY SAP PS
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Cost based -> POC = act cost/ plan cost
Rev based -> POC = act rev/ plan rev
Statistical -> POC can be entered manaully using statistical key figures
Progress Analysis -> POC is based on value from Progress Analysis - you need to set this up if you are using Progress analysis
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I would like to know, whether also the document flow for subitems is being checked while executing result analysis.
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The sub-item is not completed - neighter delivery is made nor the invoice.
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Thanks Waman,
I have tried to delete the result analysis key from the sub-item, but still the same result in result analysis...
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Edited by: Peter Jankech on Jun 9, 2010 8:57 AM

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I want to post WIP and have done all account settings. could anybody explain the process for this periodic processing of projects how to identify WIP.
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No entered status set. No results analysis will be performed
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Diagnosis
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No entered status set. No results analysis will be performed
Message no. KJ210
Diagnosis
The valuation of the order or project in results analysis depends on the status of the object.
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