Returnable packaging - vendor related
Hello SAP Gurus,
In my current project, I meet following situations regarding vendor related returnable packaging:
1. Packaging belongs to vendor;
2. Packaging belongs to us (purchaser);
3. Packaging is rent by us (purchaser).
Our current solution is to use "Transport Equipment" - 501/M to receive such packaging when do GR of materials. But the constrains here is that warehouse stuff needs to know which material requires returnable packaging when do MIGO. And they have to manage this manually in an excel file: what material requires returnable packaging.
Now my question is: how could we link this returnable packaging with the materials + material vendor.
1. Possible to manage in PIR then flows to PO? (If not considerring development).
2. If consider to generate 2nd line in PO:
1) Again, how could Purchase Order creator know this material is required to generate 2nd line for returnable packaging?
2) For packaging belongs to vendor, which is non-valuated and account assignment will be required;
Many thanks in advance for your precious input and with best regards-
Mengyu
> 1. Packaging belongs to vendor;
> 2. Packaging belongs to us (purchaser);
> 3. Packaging is rent by us (purchaser).
>
> Our current solution is to use "Transport Equipment" - 501/M to receive such packaging when do GR of materials. But the constrains here is that warehouse stuff needs to know which material requires returnable packaging when do MIGO. And they have to manage this manually in an excel file: what material requires returnable packaging.
>
> Now my question is: how could we link this returnable packaging with the materials + material vendor.
> 1. Possible to manage in PIR then flows to PO? (If not considerring development).
> 2. If consider to generate 2nd line in PO:
> 1) Again, how could Purchase Order creator know this material is required to generate 2nd line for returnable packaging?
> 2) For packaging belongs to vendor, which is non-valuated and account assignment will be required;
Hi,
In the 1st case, Packaging belongs to Vendor:
This is Non-valuated but stock update material type (you can maintain this exclusively for Vendor ownership & Rented since these are not your company owned)
501-M is fine with this type. To track this in WM to identify for returns you can give a code description to be easily identifiable to trace it for the return. You/user dont have to add a second line item in the PO, but can directly enter in 501M
In the 2nd case, packaging belongs to your own company, you can define a material type with value and qty update which can also be managed in MIGO. For this I presume you must have issued the materials to vendor before MIGO which can be received in MIGO as company's own stocks.
Hope this helps
Shiva
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I have searched through the internet as well as on this forum but I was not able to find the information I am looking for.
I have the following issue concerning the Returnable packaging process in SAP:
I need to gather overall information concerning the returnable packaging.
The process is as follows:
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I tried to enter packaging from vendor to special stock type M (with move 501 M added to the goods receipt for PO), than it's working to see it in the stock report assigned to that particular vendor. But what if (and this is the case) I am selling the goods on the same packaging to my customer? Cause I am not able to add the pallets from special stock M to the outbound deliver.
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KrystynaDear Vikram Shukla,
In fact, my question is more related to how to link the returnable packaging with the vendor - raw materials combination (PIR), which for my understanding is more related to sourcing part.
Anyway, could you please advice how could I transfer my question to MM forum?
Many thanks in advance and best regards-
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If there is an existing topic here (I was no able to find one) or any materials on the net I would be also grateful for the links.
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before u should have customize MM-SD-FI integration
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Hi Experts,
For return to vendor process, we are creating return goods receipt using movement type 122 and at that time in back ground out bound delivery is creating. Kindly tell me next what steps need to be followed for excise related things and credit note?
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1. MIGO - Return delivery > Material Document (Here refer GR doc, system will determine mvmt type "122" automatically, select Stock type as "Blocked Stock" under Where tab)
2. J1IS - Excise Invoice Other Movements
Here click on u201Ccreateu201D button to create an outgoing excise invoice and reverse the CENVAT Amount.
Here put all details as below and Press u201CEnteru201D.
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Here check BED, ECS and SECess values to be reversed and click on u201CSaveu201D button to post the excise invoice.
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Message was edited by:
user531417It is possible to create delivery for non stock return PO item - I created one w/o any problem.
The shipping tab should be there for the PO item. If it is missing you won't get the delivery.
If the shipping tab is missing for non stock item but you get it for stock items (and everything is the same) then you should check e.g.:
- whether the sales view (for suitable sales area (plant sales area)) exists for the material
- whether fields on sales view are maintained properly (loading group, item category group)
- whether item category determination for the return delivery is maintained (T184L) in relation to the itme category group in material master
Edited by: Csaba Szommer on May 25, 2011 8:58 PM -
Returnable Packaging as a delivery line item
Hi,
I have this requirement:
Whenever certain materials are purchased, they always come with returnable packaging. I have setup packing proposal and created packing confition records using packing determination type RCPT and key Material.
When I create an inbound delivery (type EL) for a purchase order for a material, I am able to determine the packing material as a Handling unit.
However, I want to add the packing material as a separate line item in the delivery.
I have maintained the Item category determination: EL + LEIH + PACK = ZELN.
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Message was edited by: Jürgen LHI.
Please reffer the below link.
ERROR : No item category exists (Table T184L LB VERP )
Error while creating I/B delivery: No item category exists (Table T184L EL)
1) EL = is the delivery type you are using for Returns to Vendors
2) VERP = is the Item Category Group in the material master of
3) ELP= Item Usage
You have to add the missing configuration as follow:
IMGLogistics ExecutionShippingDeliveriesDefine Item Category
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sure you enter the one defined in you company.
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Returnable packaging a/c posting details
Hi All experts,
could any one of you let me know the correct table to find out the followings:
1. RP(returnable packaging) account header details.
2. RP account item level or transaction details like opening balance, closing balance, bill of lading, posting type, reference document number and etc.
3. Summary list of status of each RP material involved in RP account with RP partner.
4. Full listing of all movements per RP material account during the statement period.
Kinldy guide me for the above mentioned questions.
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MarkHello Mark,
Returnable packaging is vendor's material and is not valuated in our valuation area so it will not have any accounting impact in our book.
Returnable packaging is maintained only on Qty based.
For more information, please refer the following link
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/4d/2b921143ad11d189410000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
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Manual posting for returnable packaging ( RL11)
Hi
Iam supplier of OEM
I have created returnable packaging account with following details
Location - My plant
Exchange partne - OEM (sold to party)
In relationship --
Main -- Type plant Location plant number / Exchange partner---- type customer - sold to part number
sub relationship -- Type plant Location plant number / Exchange partner---- type vendor-vendor number of OEM
I want to do manual posting after doing delivery to customer.
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normally the posting should be made in background automatically when the packaging material is used in the delivery note.
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see attached screenshot.
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Dear Expert,
I've a scenario whereby the MM consultant try to push the SD consultant for the scenario below:
- There is FOC returnable packaging (wooden pallet) for PO to ship back the these to the supplier in oversea
- These wooden packaging will be arranged to ship back to the supplier when reached 150 pcs
- user want to keep track of the quantity in the system
- user want to print a pro-forma invoice when the shipment arranged info the custom
- user wanted to show/print the price on the pro-forma invoice
In SD side , the solution I can think of is:
- via sale doc (sales order doc & delivery doc)
- set up customer master
- set up pricing
- develop pro-forma invoice or delivery note
In MM side,
- via return PO doc
- the vendor master already there
- set up pricing
- develop pro-forma invoice or a form call delivery note
Question:
- should the above done in SD?
- is the solution come from SD is the best option?
Looking forwards to hear from you. Many thanks.
Best regards,
AwHi Aw,
Create material masters for returnable packaging with item category group LEIH. When you create a sales order & outbound delivery, returnable packaging materials will be listed in them and they can be tracked with their material codes. You can include statistical condition type in your sales pricing procedure to show indicative price for packaging materials. This indicative price will flow to your shipment documents as well.
When the customer wants to return the packaging materials, you can use order type LA, item category LAN is not relevant for billing and post goods receipt.
If the customer decides to keep the returnable packaging materials, then enter the transaction in your system with order type LN (issue order). LNN is relevant for billing and you can use new pricing procedure to charge customer for packaging materials in LN. Price can be same as indicated in the original sales order or be different as per your agreement with customer.
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