Soft Returns in SIte Editor?
Hi,
I'm having trouble creating a soft return in the site editor. I already adjusted the settings in the partner portal for this, but that only seems to be reflected when editing through the admin area. It's preferable for the client to do all the editing through the site editor. But when you try to create a soft return, it keeps creating a <p> tag, which makes it look a bit wonky.
What am I missing with this?
Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
Hey Liam,
Yeah, I know how to create a soft return. It's just that its not working in the site editor. I hold shift and enter, yet it still creates a <p>. I was wondering if it was a system thing, or something that I wasn't doing correctly? The areas I'm trying to edit are just simple text, so I wasn't sure why it wasn't working.
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Our Pindar AgilityCMS content managment system flows text to an InDesign page using a special PlugIn.
Some characters are stored natively (store an "a", get an "a" on the page), while other special characters are stored using Tagged Text or Unicode. A return can be either <0x000D> or \u000D. This is especially useful because we can output through one of four "channels".... InDesign, Quark, HTML or as entered in the content manager. The return can now be \p in Quark or <BR> in HTML. A non-breaking space, for example, can be \u00A0 in the InDesign channel, in HTML or <\!s> in Quark. When we insert the "special character" in the Data Editor of our content system, it might be displayed as [sp], but it will resolve correctly regardless of which channel we publish to.
The problem is that unlike Quark, Adobe does not provide for a "soft return" or forced line break. Sure, you can type one from the keyboard with shift+return, and purists will argue that you'd never want to store a soft (discretionary) return in any type of tagged text or a content management system. However, all our text is set flush left, ragged right, and we frequently want to force line breaks for readability, and do so consistently.
Instead of:
On Sale Now Buy One, Get
One Free
we always want
On Sale Now
Buy One, Get One Free
Again, this is a problem whether you store your data in simple tagged text files, or if you bring it in via a complex PlugIn, as we do.
There are many, many threads on this site and elsewhere that discuss this shortcoming. Does Adobe plan to support Soft Returns in Tagged Text with some kind of special tag?Your question is predicated on some false assumptions, and I'm afraid Peter, Peter, and Stix didn't quite pick that up in their replies. (This gives me pause since normally they're all very detail-oriented).
As I told you when you posted in the thread from 2009, "InDesign Tagged Text supports forced line breaks just fine."
You write:
Does Adobe plan to support Soft Returns in Tagged Text with some kind of special tag?
Adobe's import mechanism does indeed support soft returns. There's no need to speculate on Adobe's plans, which is the direction the other replies went to.
With that in mind, let's move to your actual question:
Our Pindar AgilityCMS content managment system flows text to an InDesign page using a special PlugIn.
Some characters are stored natively (store an "a", get an "a" on the page), while other special characters are stored using Tagged Text or Unicode. A return can be either <0x000D> or \u000D. This is especially useful because we can output through one of four "channels".... InDesign, Quark, HTML or as entered in the content manager. The return can now be \p in Quark or <BR> in HTML. A non-breaking space, for example, can be \u00A0 in the InDesign channel, in HTML or <\!s> in Quark. When we insert the "special character" in the Data Editor of our content system, it might be displayed as [sp], but it will resolve correctly regardless of which channel we publish to.
I think you need to address this question to your support channel for Pindar AgilityCMS. Indeed, in IDTT <000A> represents a shift-return. Here's a screenshot of a test textframe:
and when exported to InDesign Tagged Text, it produces:
<ASCII-MAC>
<Version:7><FeatureSet:InDesign-Roman><ColorTable:=<Black:COLOR:CMYK:Process:0,0,0,1>>
<DefineParaStyle:NormalParagraphStyle=<Nextstyle:NormalParagraphStyle>>
<ParaStyle:NormalParagraphStyle>Paragraph one
<ParaStyle:NormalParagraphStyle>Paragraph two<0x000A>P2/Line two
I presume you have tried <0x000A> as discussed in the prior thread.
I suppose it's remotely possible this is a Mac/PC issue, because the two operating systems do you different line break characters.
Anyhow, once again, your criticism of InDesign and Adobe is false and unfair. And if you have a problem with a 3rd party plugin, those are really the people you need to talk to.
Still, it might be wise to get it working with plain File > Place. Try testing my above IDTT file. Or exporting your own from a sample textframe like the one I used. -
Soft return in tagged text file
Hi, anyone has example of using a End of line (soft return) in tagged text file?
i tried using <0x000A> but it does not work. Advice needed.
TkzSo it does. It also drops it if you export in GB 18030. I would file a bug report:
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
Only workaround I can think of would be to enter some other unique character (maybe |?) and find/replace it in ID after bringing in the tagged text.
Ken
Hold on, I tried exporting tagged text and then bringing it back in. It's not dropping the forced line break. It's exporting it as a single Line Feed (hex 0a). And it interprets that as a forced line break when importing back in. My text editor ignores Line Feeds. I had to look at it in a hex editor to see the 0a.
I don't know if that helps any. However you're producing the tagged text, you would need to be able to make it enter a line feed without the carriage return.
Ken -
[AS] CS3 Find -Change inserting soft return instead of hard
Can anyone help identify why this script doesn't work? i want it to replace multiple returns with a single paragraph return. It's replacing with a soft return rather than a hard return.
I copied and pasted the find grep and change grep fields into the script. I even tried it by typing "\r" into the change grep field. Any thoughts? Much appreciated!
tell application "Adobe InDesign CS3"
--Clear the find/change preferences.
set find grep preferences to nothing
set change grep preferences to nothing
set find text preferences to nothing
set change text preferences to nothing
--Set the find options.
set include footnotes of find change grep options to false
set include hidden layers of find change grep options to false
set include locked layers for find of find change grep options to false
set include locked stories for find of find change grep options to false
set include master pages of find change grep options to false
--delete multiple graphs
set find what of find grep preferences to "~b~b+"
set change to of change grep preferences to "
set myStory to parent story of item 1 of selection
tell myStory
set myFoundItems1 to change grep
end tell
set find grep preferences to nothing
set change grep preferences to nothing
end tellShane, thanks! This worked. What I meant to have written was that when copying "~b" from the find/change field in InDesign and pasting into Script Editor, and saving, it converted it automatically to a hard return. I didn't try it manually because sometimes the obvious is elusive! (to me at least)
Thanks again.
Jim -
How can i make a soft return with pages shift enter does not work!
how can i make a soft return with pages shift plus enter does not work!!
On full keyboards with a numeric keypad, the key above the right shift is "return" & the one on the numeric section is "enter." On a Mac (or Apple IIgs ) they do have separate functions. On the "mini" keyboards, both names are on the same key, but "enter" is written in smaller letters. I'll have to check to see how that works on another Mac later today.
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Soft returns in Pages for iPad
I would really like to create a space between numbered items in Pages but I can't figure out how to do it. Does anyone know how to create a soft return in Pages for iPad?
I have seen responses for the desktop application but not the iPad application.Pages 1.7.1, IOS 5.1.1
You start a bullet item and then press both ⇧ and return keypad keys to force a newline. This turns off the bullet style. Press return. Use the paintbrush toolbar icon to reselect the Bullet paragraph style again. This approach shows the inelegant possibility.
The best approach would be at the end of your bullet text, change your line spacing from 1.0 to 1.25 from within the paintbrush > Layout tab. A return continues your bullet style. If your normal body text has been 1.0 line spacing, you can switch back to that after your list. -
Creating a soft return in Pages for iPad
I would really like to create a space between numbered items in Pages but I can't figure out how to do it. Does anyone know how to create a soft return in Pages for iPad.
daisybrain2663 wrote:
Why isn't that in the help topics for Pages? Frustrating.
I guess that we could ask that question about a few different things Apple related.
I'm glad that you got the hang of it. -
Site Editor not working in IE10
Hi,
A client of mine if having trouble using the Site Editor in IE10. He said it opens to a white screen that just says "site editor" in the middle. Has anyone had issues with this, or know if this is a system glitch?
Thanks!Sorry, I'm confused. Your first post says it's about PSE 11.
For older versions, hold down ctrl+alt+shift (command+option+shift on a mac). Keep the keys down till you see a window asking if you want to delete the settings file. You do. -
Hi. I recently impoterd a Frame 7.1 Chapter into RoboHelp
HTML 8.0 and everything worked okay with the exception of soft
returns. For some reason it didn't import these and I was left with
large strings of test which I had to fix by hand. Any ideas? Thanks
in advanceAs far as I can tell, this isn't a new bug in as much as InDesign CS3, CS4, CS5 and CS5.5 (Mac) all exhibit the same problem exporting soft-returns in Unicode encoded Tagged Text where they are replaced with hard returns on import. Unfortunately it appears that we may be the only ones that care and thus it's unlikely that Adobe will fix it (unless someone adopts it as a JDI bug).
Update: after testing some more it appears this is an export bug for Mac OS-only. In other words, if you use a PC to export a story that contains soft-returns to Tagged Text (Unicode), the soft-returns are preserved when placing into a document using a Mac. And vice-versa, using a Mac to export a story with soft-returns to Tagged Text (Unicode) and then placing this into a document using a PC exhibits the same substitition of soft-returns for hard-returns.
Message was edited by: Caleb Clauset -
I sometimes need to use a "soft" return in a Header. Unfortunately, this is picked up in the TOC. Is there a way to add a feature to the TOC function to give the user the option to ignore "soft" returns? Thank you.
You could always use non-breaking spaces to keep things together so that they break like with a soft return. Then in the TOC you won't necessarily run into the entry breaking over to the next line. However, it's not always guaranteed to work. Swapping a space for a soft-return could be a better route.
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Soft returns, xml export
If I want to export text, including soft returns, to xml I get the error that some kind of characters are not recognized.
Is there a way to export soft returns correctly to xml ?
I already posted a similar question, but maybe I was not clear anough, so please accept my appologizes.
Kind Regards,
DroomHi Droom,
are you sure that it is this forced line break character that causes the error message?
There are indeed some characters that can not be exported by InDesign's XML export, but as far as I know there are no problems with the forced line break.
Maybe you are using another char like an AutoPageNumber char (0x0018), a SectionMarker char (0x0019) or a right indent tab char(0x0008). These characters can not be exported.
Generally every character that has a hex value lower that 0x0020 (except 0x0009, 0x000A and 0x000D) can not be im- or exported by XML.
Try to create a new document with only one frame, insert a single forced line break and export it. If it works you have to look for another character that causes the problem. If it doesn't work I am mistaken.
Form more info see my approach to import a right indent tab ( http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b6dbd5/2 ).
For some information about InDesign characters see: http://www.absatzsetzer.de/downloads/Zeichen.pdf (it is in German, but the table is understandable, I think)
Best wishes
Silo -
No More Soft Returns in RH7?
Hello All,
Does anyone know why Shift+Enter no longer gives you a soft
return in RH? More importantly, does anyone know a workaround? This
is a very important item in my daily work. I create list of links
at the top of every Help page and in order to save space, every
list does not have any space between the links. I've always
accomplished that by pressing Shift+Enter in the past, but ever
since I've had RH7, this keyboard shortcut doesn't seem to work
anymore. Help please!1. Open the style sheet you are using in the topic.
2. Click
New.
3. Give the new style a name (e.g Links).
4. Click
Format.
5. Click
Paragraph
6. Change the "Spacing Before" and "Spacing After" values to
0pt.
7. Click
OK.
8. Click
Close.
Now you have a style called Links that can be applied to
text.
If you have these links on all (or most ) of your topics you
could get very clever and set up a template that you use when you
create the topic. That way you do the formatting once in the
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Hi all
I've recently upgraded to CS3 from CS1 (yeah, I'm always late to the party), and the transition has been a lot easier than I expected. However there's one thing driving me nuts!
When using the text tool in CS1, shift+enter would give you a new line within the existing paragraph (I believe it's called a soft return?), so it keeps the leading but doesn't add the "space after paragraph". In CS3 this doesn't work and it's really screwing with my ability to create decent web page mockups.
I've searched all around here and across the web and not found any answers - perhaps I'm using the wrong terminology?? Anyway - any ideas?
Thanks in anticipation! :)
BenYes, that's exactly what I'm trying to use John (and that's what I'm used to in CS1).
I'm on PS v10.0.1, if that helps anyone.
Just checked and it works in Illustrator 10.0.2...
In fact, I can copy the necessary text into Illustrator, do my soft returns, and then copy back into Photoshop and it's fine. It's a bit bloomin long-winded, but at least it's a workaround!!
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Send feedback to Apple.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipad.html
I bought a case with a bluetooth connected keyboard. Much easier to use than the on-screen keyboard if you do a lot of typing. You can use many/most computer wireless keyboards with the iPad.
Cheers, Tom -
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