Space Designer Surround Bug

I'm pretty sure this a new bug...
In a surround session choosing a Surround IR in Space Designer results in a significant delay to the reverb. (not the case with a stereo IR) ... Anyone?
Logic 9.1 Snow Leopard 10.6.2
Keith Moore

Yep, same bug here…
A 5.1 impulse on an aux, give me about 2 seconds delay…
Same song opened with 9.0.2 aren't affected

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Space Designer / Surround / & Pops

Could someone please check this out?
1. Open a Logic template... anyone will do (even your own customized autoload etc.)
2. Insert any audio file in the arrange, into an Audio object, preferably start the file on bar 2 (so that there is some space at the beginning with no sound).
3. Set the track to Surround Output
4. Add a Space Designer (with any reverb setting) to Bus 1 (or any bus) and set this to Surround out as well.
5. Add a send on the track you added with the audio file to send to the bus with Space Designer.
6. Start playback from Bar 1, and let the audio file start. First play should sound ok.
7. Hit the Enter key (on the keypad-left) to restart playback from bar one.
At this point, is anyone else getting a few Pops??? before the audio file starts????
-Turning OFF Latency Compensation will get rid of the problem.
-Switching the tracks back to Stereo out or mono will stop the pops.
-Deleting the Space Designer Plugin instance will also stop the pops.
What's going on???
G5 dual 1.8GHz 2.5gig Ram Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Yep, same bug here…
A 5.1 impulse on an aux, give me about 2 seconds delay…
Same song opened with 9.0.2 aren't affected

EMT 252, 250 and nonlin Space Designer IRs

Just got the latest Acousticas library. EMT252XL.
It's a whopper with about 2000 irs, incl. the 252 with 250 and nonlin programs.
I really like the detail put into this one. The frequency multipliers are there as well, making it a breeze controlling the low end of the reverb.
I wish Apple would update Space Designer's IR browser to be a little more modern. Pulling the load menu is not very convenient when dealing with so many impulses.
I remember writing Acousticas after getting their first library. I asked them if they could provide comparison between the IRs and the hardware. Guess others did the same. This time they put up a video blind test and IMO it is really hard to distinguish which is the hardware and which is the IR.
Links to blind test and other videos
http://www.acousticas.net/World/Videos/Acousticas/EMT252/PianoDemo252.mov
http://www.acousticas.net

I have these IR's too and they're great.
Although I've run into a bug using them with Space Designer -- the bug appears to be Logic's fault, not the Acoustica IR's, which run fine in other convolvers like Altiverb and waves IR-1.
When I load the EMT 252/250 IR's into Space Designer, instead of a 3 or 4 second impulse, I get a .3 or .4 second impulse. Using the "show IR in Finder" triangle on Space Designer reveals that Logic is loading the wrong IR files. I've been over this with the folks at Acousticas, who are very helpful.
Did a reinstall, trashed some prefs and cache files, and Space Designer still insists on loading the wrong files. Yet another bug I assume Apple will turn a deaf ear to.
Just something to watch for. In the meantime, I'm lucky that I can still use Altiverb or Waves to hear these great IR's.
T

Space Designer and surround

I can't seem to turn up any info on this so...
Does Space Designer support surround? Are there any surround IRs included?
Thanks.
JP

could you cobble something together? Maybe use aux objects set up with the same SD effect types. Send out appropriate levels of fx to each of the aux objects which will correspond to and output wet only signal to the bus/output objects carrying the surround components. I am not sat at my studio mac right now, so I can't think and speak specifically, but I remember trying something like this in an earlier version with some degree of success on a quadruphonic set up. Still a heath robinson way of doing something that should be a standard plugin in this day and age.

Bug with Space Designer EQ and Filter Envelope?

In Logic Pro X I've noticed the window below the IR waveform only shows the volume envelope information. The EQ window does not appear making it impossible to use EQ. Anyone else notice this?

Jup, I checked it out and indeed doesn't happen when you startup a project and open the Space Designer for the first time. When you close Space Designer and open it again, the bug apears. And in various ways too. Sometimes the EQ window stays fixed, eventhough I click Filter Env. Sometimes the Filter Env stays fixed, eventhough I click reverse or EQ etc.
I actually just called apple support on this. The guy from the servicedesk was actually very helpfull. He's checking if the problem still exists in 10.0.4 (which will be released soon I think?). He's going to call me back in a few minutes. I think he was able to reproduce it too, so we are definately not alone on this
Hopefully it's fixed in 10.0.4 or maybe he can at least report this bug directly to the Logic developers. I'll keep you posted!

Space designer causing cpu spike overload

Hope you guys can help with this, it's beginning to annoy me. I'm currently unable to use space designer reliably. I had this problem in Logic 8 and it's still happening in 9. I have one instance of SD in my current project and it's causing cpu spikes that are giving me errors. The funny thing is that the error happens just after a region that is being sent to the reverb has ended. the cpu meter then gradually rises until the error stops playback. If I turn SD off i don't get these problems or if I disable SD via automation when it's not needed it seems ok also. What the **** is this about? The thing is I really like the sound of SD and miss it when I have to use different reverbs. Anyone else having these issues? I read on another thread that setting all your inputs to "no input" helps but for me it doesn't. What else can I try?
cheers
p

Thanks for your input.
Just to clarify, I am getting the spike once the audio data stops sending through the SD plugin (whilst the song is still playing). So, for example I may send a 10 second bit of audio through the plug - this works fine. Then once the audio stops sending and the reverb trail finishes....I then get the CPU going mad - and yet there is complete silence within the song - there is nothing else playing!
This has got to be a bug or conflict of some kind - my computer spec is massive and should be able to cope with a stereo bit of audio through one plugin! (Hope this makes sense.)
There have been a couple of posts similar but no answers as yet...
Wondering whether it is a conflict with UAD plugins or something which limits the reproduction of this bug...I have noticed that if I remove all UAD plugins from the channel strip in question, the error tends not to reappear - but the issue is unique to the SD plugin.
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CPU Overload / spike using Space Designer

Hi,
I've seen a few posts with the same issue but can't find any resolutions. Does anyone experience spikes and overloads whilst using Space Designer, especially on the reverb trails (I can make this happen with just the one track - say a vocal or synth and and heavy reverb on SD)...the system eventually stutters with peaked CPU and then stops.
Any others out there with the same issue? Any answers??? Thanks
Danny

Thanks for your input.
Just to clarify, I am getting the spike once the audio data stops sending through the SD plugin (whilst the song is still playing). So, for example I may send a 10 second bit of audio through the plug - this works fine. Then once the audio stops sending and the reverb trail finishes....I then get the CPU going mad - and yet there is complete silence within the song - there is nothing else playing!
This has got to be a bug or conflict of some kind - my computer spec is massive and should be able to cope with a stereo bit of audio through one plugin! (Hope this makes sense.)
There have been a couple of posts similar but no answers as yet...
Wondering whether it is a conflict with UAD plugins or something which limits the reproduction of this bug...I have noticed that if I remove all UAD plugins from the channel strip in question, the error tends not to reappear - but the issue is unique to the SD plugin.
Danny

Space Designer resets Wet + Dry mix amounts when sample dragged

Hi,
There is a fairly annoying bug with space designer. Try this:
1. Insert space designer on a track.
2. Turn down the DRY mix to zero, and the WET mix to full.
3. Open the Logic browser, and find a wav file to drag into space designer.
4. Drag the wav file in.
You'll see that the dry mix and wet mix reset themselves. This happens each time you drag in a file.
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Match EQ, space designer and IRs

Hi, I encounter a problem with Logic studio 9 when trying to make an IR out of the differences between a raw guitar amp (mine) signal and an amp/cab/mic signal (not mine ). I used Match EQ to copy the second signal, it sounds very well. Then I did two pink noise .wav files, with and without the previous Match EQ settings. I used them to decode an IR with space designer, but the result sounds like a 50% wet IR. Did I miss anything ?

could you cobble something together? Maybe use aux objects set up with the same SD effect types. Send out appropriate levels of fx to each of the aux objects which will correspond to and output wet only signal to the bus/output objects carrying the surround components. I am not sat at my studio mac right now, so I can't think and speak specifically, but I remember trying something like this in an earlier version with some degree of success on a quadruphonic set up. Still a heath robinson way of doing something that should be a standard plugin in this day and age.

Having some Space Designer panning issues.

Hey all. I'm new to this board. I come with a bit of a problem. Hopefully, someone here can shed some light.
In learning how to use Logic, I was told to maximize my CPU resources by setting up as few instances of Space Designer (among other things) as possible. I was instructed to link two Aux Channel Strips, insert Space Designer (SD) and assign a Stereo Bus as input, and then Send whichever instruments to that Stereo Bus. I've up a few of these, using a different preset in each, depending on my need.
The problem is, when I send a mono instrument that is panned hard to one side, I get beautiful sounding reverberations, but the instrument heads more and more toward the center the more I Send to SD. Obviously, a little SD goes a long way, but there are instances where I would really like to control exactly how much gets panned left or right. I don't want all of my sound ending up in a murky, muddy soup in the center. Ideally I'd love for shared SD resource as I've described to be totally linked to the panning of the instrument. If panned hard left, then no SD at all on the right, and visa versa, and every step in between, all controlled by the panning
What am I doing wrong?
thnx, Rafiki

Rafik! wrote:
What am I doing wrong?
Your conception about the system verbs routing is wrong.
Let's have a look at the real world and haw the things are in the native acoustical surround. Imagine you are a listener sitting in the center of a big concert hall and the singer is singing from the left side of the stage. What you hear?
1. You will hear/feel that the singing is coming from the left side - this is the DRY path of the sound source. It is the faster one and it is direct, that's why the human ear determines where the signal is coming from.
2. There will be lots of WET signal reflections which go to different sides re-reflect ( depends on the hall architecture ) and as a whole they all will spread to the listener with a slight amount of latency.
In the DAW you can use different methods to manipulate the reverbs but it will be more effective if you use them as inserts and control the spread and pan using a Dir.Mixer plugin after reverb insert for example. You can set even to mono just to get some deepness and prevent any mud in the soundscape.
Finally you can add a bit little send of a system verb which give the listener a picture of some room ambience. You can also try to set the send to "Post-Pan"
though its main purpose is for headphone/stage monitoring most and special plugins side chain like Waves C1s/ch for example. Using with system verbs may cause anomaly. Note, some hardware mixers have one Mono Send/Out and two Returns/Stereo for example.
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Macbook Pro 15" vs 17" & space designer issues with VSL

Hey Group! This is my first post/question. I'm a composer who does alot of sampling work and just stepped up to the macbook pro15" with the specs listed below. I'm running LogicPro (first time user on that, DP before), everything updated fully.
I have no G4 or Quad... this will be my primary machine. I went with the 15" for portabilty and price (I'll be adding a separate display for larger view home studio work). Has anyone experienced nightmares because of the smaller amounts of firewire and usb ports? I use the left usb for my MBoxII (so there's audio and midi), the right usb for program keys (via a hub) and the firewire port for the external audio. I gather I can turn the card slot into addntl firewire ports (any 3rd party info on that appreciated). In other words, other than the slightly smaller display size have I made a terrible mistake choosing the 15" over the 17"?
Also, I've experienced that when I use presets or matrices from the the VSL Solo Strings Instrument interface in the EXS24 I get random audio drop outs and it makes the space designer go nutty, even when I try different buffer settings. I see huge CPU spikes and hear audio glitching during the reverb tail of final notes. I also can't reactivate another note until the cpu settles back down (about 5 seconds) without getting very glitchy response. This only seems to happen with the VSL. Anyone else experiencing this?
for Audio/Midi interface-ing I also own a Motu828mkII, which isn't as great for on the road work, but i could definitely use for my set up at home.....would I expect substantially better program performance out of that than the MboxII?
Many thanks for all thoughts and responses
Mark B

Update: Vienna Strings is aware that there are still a few issues with the VSL Instruments and Intel Macs and they seem to be working very hard to fix these bugs ASAP.
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I am having trouble using reverb of any kind; it does not sound natural, but rather "pixilated." Does anyone have any ideas for a solution? I have used Silververb and Space Designer and am having the same problem...

I am using Logic Pro 9 with two MXL 990 microphones in my piano and a Rode NT1A for vocals. I have tried recording with added reverb and keeping getting not a natural reverb sound, but a rather "pixilated" one that does not sound natural. Does anyone have any ideas on how to solve this issue? I have tried using Silververb and Space Designer, and both result in the same problems. Thank you!

This is asking for the impossible! It does not sound natural because maybe it isn't and in judging so whats your reference anyway. If you are in dire need of some natural sounding room you can go and record it yourself. But even then, the chances that it sounds like you imagined it, are very slim.
There are very decent sounding reverberation plugins, based on artificial reverb generators or convolution-style, the last one is said to sound more 'natural' then the first one. Be it as it maybe, it really is like cooking food. You got all the ingredients for this delicious taste at hand and believe it or not to reach a satisfying result this is not enough, because if you do not mix the ingredients in the right proportion you will end up with a different dish you thought you'll get. This is exactly the same when one would mix audio, I dare say.
So treat yourself to some good ingredients and the rest is up to you, namely: taste and experience!
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Altiverb by Audio Ease when I have acoustic ensembles (classical music mostly), the Sony Oxford Reverb in studio productions, Bricasti when I have to deal with drums and MMultiBandReverb from MeldaProduction for all-round stuff. Thats the base I start from, after that I can end up with dozen Reverb plugins which basically all are doing the same thing but just in a tiny different way.

I am missing "Warped Effects within my Space Designer. Please help!!!

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One instance of Space Designer for multiple instruments

Hi - I know that if you have - for example - four instances of an instrument all using the same Space Designer setting, you can have just one instance of the SD and use buses to send all the instruments to the same - somewhere - so they can all use it.
I've tried this but I obviously placed the SD in the wrong -somewhere - since they didn't find it.
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Thanks -Kay.

Yes, that's the way to go.
It is a shame, by the way, that names assigned to Busses in the I/O labels dialog are global to all Projects, so if you go crazy at one time and use *and name* 17 Busses for parallel compression, this naming is reflected in all other Projects too. Also, configurations in older Projects ported from V6,7,8 will vary wildly as you have refined your Templates, shifted gear, sold hardware etc. over the years. I have recently worked on a Project started in 2003, and Bus names were all over the place. It is one thing to have indifferent Bus 13, Bus 14, Bus 15 shown in the Sends, but it's a whole other dimension when all the names are wrong like Guitars, Vocals, Moreme when actually they feed Delay 1, Headphone and Drums.
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Space designer causes crash - any suggestions??

Hello people
I just started running logic 8 on a new imac and I have a big problem with space designer.
Everything will be going sweet (well kinda). I open SD and things are still fine, but if I try to open any preset then it crashes. Complete freeze, have to force quite and try again...
This also stops me from opening any of my old Logic 7 songs as I use SD on most tracks, so I guess that is what is causing it to hang...
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I have tried trashing the prefs, but no joy still.
Any help greatly appreciated.
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