COPA (Cost based & Account Based)

Hi Gurus;
Can some share me the documents for cost based & account based extraction of COPA.
I am looking for differences and how exactly do you do extraction for the both(Step-by-step).
I am also looking for which model should we use if COPA is not implemented in R/3 and otherwise.
Thanks in advance!

Hi,
chk this:
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/com.sap.km.cm.docs/library/biw/g-i/how%20to%20co-pa%20-%20retraction
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/fb07ab90-0201-0010-c489-d527d39cc0c6
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/com.sapportals.km.docs/documents/a1-8-4/how%20to%20set%20up%20connection%20co-pa%20-%20extraction
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/com.sap.km.cm.docs/library/biw/g-i/how%20to%20upload%20co-pa%20hierarchies.pdf
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/com.sap.km.cm.docs/library/biw/g-i/how%20to%20co-pa%20extraction%203.0x
Thanks,
Raj

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COPA Costed and Account based

Hi Experts,
I have running In BW, PA Costed based, and now I need activate PA accounted based extractor.
a) does somebody have any doc or how-to papers, specific about COPA Accounted?
b) can will appear any issue or problem about my current PA costed based loads?
c) how can I see with pa model (costed or account based) is running in the R/3 instalation?
Thank you in adavance!

Hi,
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
Hope this helps
Regards,
Aparna

Difference Between Cost and Account Based COPA

Hi
What is the difference between Cost and Account based COPA from a BI perspective ( both functionally and technically)
Thanks
Rashmi.

Hi Rashmi,
Greetings.
There is lot of reading material available on forums and help.sap.com
For start you can try with this:
Link:[http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/en/7a/4c37ef4a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/content.htm]
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Sachin

What is CoPA , what is the difference between Cost based, Account based

Hi
what is Copa, what is the difference between cost based , Account based copa, where we can use.
can you send me please related document.
Thank you
Anil

Hello
Profitability Analysis (CO-PA) enables you to evaluate market segments, which can be classified according to products, customers, orders or any combination of these, or strategic business units, such as sales organizations or business areas, with respect to your company's profit or contribution margin.
The aim of the system is to provide your sales, marketing, product management and corporate planning departments with information to support internal accounting and decision‑making.
Two forms of Profitability Analysis are supported: costing-based and account-based.
· Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
· Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting.
You can also use both of these types of CO‑PA simultaneously.
Check this link for more help
http://help.sap.com/erp2005_ehp_02/helpdata/en/7a/4c48c64a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
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Differance between the Cost based costing and Account based costing

Hi,
What is the Differance between the Cost Based Costing and Account Based Costing ?

You can check sap note 69384
COSTING-BASED PROFITABILITY ACCOUNT-BASED PROFITABILITY
ANALYSIS ANALYSIS
OBJECTIVE
o profitability and sales accounting
o evaluation of market segments (for example,
customers, product groups, sales areas) and corporate
units (for example, division, sales organization) with
regard to their profit or contribution margins
o calculation of profits procedures
- cost-of-sales accounting
- interim and reconciled sales report
- periodic and transaction-based allocation
- Profitability Analysis on the basis of full and
direct costs
o posted and costing-based values o account-based values
o can be reconciled with FI for o always reconciled with
account groups (revenues, sales FI on account level
deductions, costs of goods
Note 69384 - Information: Account-based Profitability Analysis
manufactured, and so on)
DATA STRUCTURES
o definition of operating concerns o definition of operating
with fixed characteristics and concerns with fixed and useruser-
defined characteristics defined characteristics
and value fields
o cumulative storage by posting o cumulative storage by
periods and weeks posting periods
o storage in operating concern o controlling area currency,
currency (as of Release 4.0 also company code currency
optional in company code currency and transaction currency
if req.)
o user-definable summarization levels
FUNCTIONS
o transfer of profit relevant o transfer of profit-relevant
business transactions from SD, FI activities from SD, FI, CO, MM
CO, MM (revenues, sales deductions (revenues, sales deductions and
and costs organized by value fields) costs organized by accounts)
o Derivation of characteristics from master
data or using derivation rules
o Realignments also for data that is already
posted
o Valuation
(Costs of goods manufactured, imputed
costs and sales deductions)
o sales and profit planning o profit planning
- flexible layout - flexible layout
- periodic distribution - periodic distribution
- valuation, revaluation - forecast procedure
- forecast procedure - top-down distribution
- top-down distribution - simulation
- simulation
o profit analysis by means of 'interactive drill-down
reporting'
- Report Painter
- object list/ranking lists, database schema
- drill-down
- key figure systems
- flexible hierarchies
- navigation between reports
- exception reporting
- ABC analyses
- Exporting (Excel, Winword, Mail)

Cost and account based copa

hi,
what is the difference for cost bases copa and account based copa?
thanks

In costing based COPA the values are captured at PGI where as in Account based copa teh values are captured at the time of Invoice.

Costing-accounting based COPA then back to costing COPA

Dear all,
I would like asking about costing based-accounting based Profitablity Analysis.
In case, I used and activate both costing based and accounting based profitability analysis. Could i back only use costing based again, even the both copa document already posted?
I am worried if system avoid untick the indicator of accounting based and back to active flag=2. It is important i ask in this forum because we only have 1 server for development and sandbox.
Best regards,
Dewi

Hi Dewi
You will get message (warning):
Message no. KE107
Diagnosis
Operating concern XXXX is set up for both forms of Profitability Analysis (costing-based and account-based).
You have set an active indicator for only one form. Note that no data will be transferred to the form of Profitability Analysis that you did not activate. If this form is activated at a later point, the data posted up to that point will be missing.
You can change active flag (customizing request) any time.
Dejan

Account based COPA datsource taking long time to extract data

Hi
We have created a Account based COPA datasource but it is not extracting data in RSA3 even though the underlying tables have data in it.
If the COPA datasource is created using fields only from CE4 (segment ) and not CE1 (line items ) table then it extracts data but tat too after very long time.
If the COPA datasource is created using fields from CE4 (segment ) and CE1 (line items ) table then it does not extarct any records and RSA3 gives a time out error..
Also job scheduled from BW side for extracting data goes on for days but does not fetch any data and neither gives any error.
The COPA tables have huge amount of data and so performance could be a issue. But we have also created the indexes on them. Still it is not helping.
Please suggest a solution to this...
Thanks
Gaurav

Hi Gaurav
Check this note 392635 ,,might be usefull
Regards
Jagadish
Symptom
The process of selecting the data source (line item, totals table or summarization level) by the extractor is unclear.
More Terms
Extraction, CO-PA, CE3XXXX, CE1XXXX, CE2XXXX, costing-based, account-based,profitability analysis, reporting, BW reporting, extractor, plug-in, COEP,performance, upload, delta method, full update, CO-PAextractor, read, datasource, summarization level, init, DeltaInit, Delta Init Cause and Prerequisites
At the time of the data request from BW, the extractor determines the data source that should be read. In this case, the data source to be used depends on the update mode (full initialization of the deltamethod or delta update), and on the definition of the DataSources (line item characteristics (except for REC_WAERS FIELD) or calculated key figures) and the existing summarization levels.
Solution
The extractor always tries to select the most favorable source, that is,the one with the lowest dataset. The following restrictions apply:
o Only the 'Full' update mode from summarization levels is
supported during extraction from the account-based profitability
analysis up to and including Release PI2001.1. Therefore, you can
only everload individual periods for a controlling area. You can
also use the delta method as of Release PI2001.2. However, the
delta process is only possible as of Release 4.0. The delta method
must still be initialized from a summarization level. The following
delta updates then read line items. In the InfoPackage, you must
continue to select the controlling area as a mandatory field. You
then no longer need to make a selection on individual periods.
However, the period remains a mandatory field for the selection. If
you do not want this, you can proceed as described in note 546238.
o To enable reading from a summarization level, all characteristics
that are to be extracted with the DataSource must also be contained
in this level (entry * in the KEDV maintenance transaction). In
addition, the summarization level must have status 'ACTIVE' (this
also applies to the search function in the maintenance transaction
for CO-PA data sources, KEB0).
o For DataSources of the costing-based profitability analysis,
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data can only be read from a summarization level if no other
characteristics of the line item were selected (the exception here
is the 'record currency' (REC_WAERS) field, which is always
selected).
o An extraction from the object level, that is, from the combination
of tables CE3XXXX/CE4XXXX ('XXXX' is the name of the result area),
is only performed for full updates if (as with summarization
levels) no line item characteristics were selected. During the
initialization of the delta method this is very difficult to do
because of the requirements for a consistent dataset (see below).
o During initialization of the delta method and subsequent delta
update, the data needs to be read up to a defined time. There are
two possible sources for the initialization of the delta method:
- Summarization levels manage the time of the last update/data
reconstruction. If no line item characteristics were selected
and if a suitable, active summarization level (see above)
exists, the DataSource 'inherits' the time information of the
summarization level. However, time information can only be
'inherited' for the delta method of the old logic (time stamp
administration in the profitability analysis). As of PlugIn
Release PI2004.1 (Release 4.0 and higher), a new logic is
available for the delta process (generic delta). For
DataSources with the new logic (converted DataSources or
DataSources recreated as of Plug-In Release PI2004.1), the line
items that appear between the time stamp of the summarization
level and the current time minus the security delta (usually 30
minutes) are also read after the suitable summarization level
is read. The current time minus the security delta is set as
the time stamp.
- The system reads line items If it cannot read from a
summarization level. Since data can continue to be updated
during the extraction, the object level is not a suitable
source because other updates can be made on profitability
segments that were already updated. The system would have to
recalculate these values by reading of line items, which would
result in a considerable extension of the extraction time.
In the case of delta updates, the system always reads from line
items.
o During extraction from line items, the CE4XXXX object table is read
as an additional table for the initialization of the delta method
and full update so that possible realignments can be taken into
account. In principle, the CE4XXXX object table is not read for
delta updates. If a realignment is performed in the OLTP, no
further delta updates are possible as they would make the data
inconsistent between OLTP and BW. In this case, a new
initialization of the delta method is required.
o When the system reads data from the line items, make sure that the
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indexes from note 210219 for both the CE1XXXX (actual data) and
CE2XXXX (planning data) line item tables have been created.
Otherwise, you may encounter long-running selections. For
archiving, appropriate indexes are delivered in the dictionary as
of Release 4.5. These indexes are delivered with the SAP standard
system but still have to be created on the database.

Reconcile Accounts Based COPA with FI

Dear Experts,
My client needs material wise, customer wise, Sales Area-wise, region wise etc profitability report. The only way to achieve this is through COPA.I have confusion whether to go for Costing based COPA (CBC) or Accounts based COPA (ABC).
I am afraid of CBC because reports from CBC do not automatically reconcile with FI and I will have a life long task of explaining the difference to management. I have seen clients scarpping CBC because at the end CBC works on calculated values which cannot inherently tally with FI and soon management stops trusting CBC. Moreover Gross Profit level figures for each characteristics can be obtained straight from LIS instead of going for CBC.
I am sure that ABC will reconcile with FI. I presume that this will happen ONLY if field status group of all cost and revenue accounts have been configured to mandate posting to PSG. Else even ABC will not reconicle with FI. My question is If I mandate PSG for all cost/revenue posting then I fear that automatic postings coming from MM/HR will go into error. How do we handle this and achieve ABC = FI.
If anyone has come across ABC to FI reconcilation error/issues I would like take their guidance before I move forward.
Regards
Deepak Saxena

Hi..!
You can use either activate Costing Based CO PA nor Accounting Based CO PA.
1.Costing based CO-PA - it will be difficult to reconcile FI with CO PA as lot of time it will take to reconcile.
For this you need to do assessment - settlements and direct postings from FI-MM-SD to CO PA thru PA transfer structure.
You can find the Differences of FI -CO PA in KEAT t-code and based on the you can understand why it is showing difference (If any). This T-code will help you to reconcile.
2.Accounting Based CO-PA it is easy to reconcile and here the reconciliation happens between GL Account and Cost element level. So you wont get many issues while reconciling.
In Costing based CO-PA you can draw a report at COGS Level where as you wont get it in Account Based CO-PA.
Thanks,
Anil

CO-PA Activate Account-based

Can we activate Account-based CO-PA on an existing operating concern with costing-based postings already used or does a new operating concern with both costing and account based options checked need to be created?

HI,
Yes, you can. Check this link for more details:
COPA Account Based copa
Hope this helps.

CO-PA Account Based enhancement : BELNR-CO

Hi all,
I have successfully implemented a CO-PA ETL for both Costing and account based CO-PA in my system.
I enhanced the costing based Extraction with no major concern.
However I now wish to enhance the CO-PA Accoutn BAsed, and here I struggle , because I cannot get the controlling document number - part of COEP key - in my extract.
I need to use this controlling document number in order to conduct some logic in the extraction, but the creation of the account based datasoource in KEB0 does not provide the option to have this field as part of the extract structure ( as a sidenote, it will not be defined in KEQ3 either, as the granularity of the profitability segment would then be to fine)
... Any idea on how to collect the CO doc number in this scenario? I am missing something...
I would very much appreciate some insight from experienced CO-PA - BW community members !
Cheers
Patrick

Patrick,
The link between COSP / COSS and CE4xxxx is the objnr of the tables COSP / COSS. The first 2 positions = 'EO'. The following positions, the name of the results area and rest of the objnr relates to the PAOBJNR of table CE4xxx. In the table CE4xxxx the field KNT_FRM_KZ = '1'. This means account based CO-PA object.
For the standard extraction process you don't need to build things between these tables. The extractor knows the relationships already.
Regards,
Peter

Account-based COPA and having Cost Center as Real Object in Sales Order

Hi,
We have recently activated account-based COPA and in our SO, we realized the Profitability Segment being populated- that is not a problem in normal scenarios.
However, in some cases, we would like to charge to a cost center instead of COPA. We have tried the 2 ways mentioned in the forum/on the web to include Cost Center in Sales Order:
1. Go to OVF3 t-code and configure a default cost center for the order reason
2. Change the SD Document Category under 'Define Sales Document Types' to 'I- Order w/o charge'.
However both ways only open the Cost center field but still populates the COPA. At accounting entries, cost center will become a statistical object and COPA, the real object- which is not what we want.
Is there a way to stop the auto-populating of Profitabiltiy Segment in SO when cost center is being entered?
Thanks very much in advance for any suggestions.
Regards,
Huimin

Solved by myself, with help of OSS Note: 44381 - Profitability Segment Not Required in SD Postings. Have a CO substitution rule to clear away the Profitability Segment number based on certain conditions. Thanks!

Activating Account based Copa in the existing Cost-based COPA

Hi Sap CO gurus!
Please advise me for the following issue.
Presently, My client using Cost-based COPA for segment wise reporting.( Already activated).
Now they wanted the reports in Account Based. Is it possible to activate the Account based now? Will the system allow us to activate or not?
If yes, What will be the implications? I want to know the pros and cons for that.
If not, How Can I edit the COPA settings( Operating concern)? Or shall I delete the Operating concern and create one new one?
Can you please explain the impact of each situation?
Thanks a lot in advance
Rama

Hi Joe
You can deactivate Account Based COPA, but you will have to do a thorough testing so that you are aware of the issues that can crop up
The IMG Menu is SPRO > Controlling > Prof Analysis
You will have to do a testing of how the open sales orders would behave... The open sales orders mean Sales Orders where PGI has been done, but billing is pending AS WELL AS Sales orders which are just created, but no Logistics movement (PGI) has taken place... You will have to do testing on both types of sales orders
- When you do PGI after deactivating the account based COPA, you may face error. Because, COGS GL account is a cost element in Account based COPA, where as in Costing based COPA, it is usually not a Cost Element
- Also do a billing from an open sales order and see if you get any error there...
Similar issue can arise during variance settlement also, because the variance account is not a cost ele in Costing Based COPA.
Test out the above scenarios and do share your experiences
Regards
Ajay M

Account Based COPA Cost of goods sold and Revenue Split

Dear Experts,
We are using account based copa in a automobile company.
As per the requirement when a car is sold, depending on the customer request the car goes for a conversion. like adding Radio, Seat cover, etc
As per our setup we have different profit centers for vehicle and Parts(radio, seat cover etc) and in this case radio, seat cover, etc are the classes of the material vehicle(not separate material).
After the vehicle conversion there is a sales order raised which goes to profit center derived from vehicle material master.
As per the reporting requirement I need to spit the Cost of good sold and revenue by vehicle profit center and parts profit center for COPA reporting purpose
Is there any way to do this in standard SAP? Or I need an exit?
Appreciate your response and please let me know in case of any clarification.
Many thanks
Roy
Edited by: roy001 on Aug 4, 2011 4:52 PM

For those who may need an answer to this, our solution was the following:
1)       Created new types for SO, SO Item, Sched. Line, Delivery, Delivery Item, Billing type
2)       Created new Pricing procedure
3)       Created new movement type Y61/Y62 modeled after 601/602
4)       Mapped Y61/Y62 to account modifier ZAX.
5)       Mapped GBB/ZAX to the new account.
Benefits, they now have better view of the orders going inter-company. It is flexible enough to adjusting prices for intercompany separate from standard orders, even though for now it is a straight copy of cost. They are able to remove the sales/use tax, from the calculations. They are able to plan with these orders separated out. Plus, this will standardize their process for inter-company.
Hope this helps someone.
Cheers!
Rick

COST ELEMENTS IN ACCOUNT BASED COPA

Hi all,
1. I understand that all FI/GL accounts correspond to COST   ELEMENTS in COPA.
2. I also understand that there are NO value fields in an Account Based Profitability Analysis.So there is no VALUE FIELD to KEY FIGURE mapping.
3. My question is: how do we map each individual GL account into BI?
4. If we dont map each individual GL account, how do we report these accounts in BI?
This part of Account based has been very confusing. I have searched numerous posts, but they all have the same answers, none that explains how we handle the numeric fields of account based profitability analysis.
Cheers
TJ

You will have a KF lets say amount
In account based COPA your Cost and revenue elements will identify what does the value in this KF corresponds to.
your report will look something like below:
Ex:
Cost and Revenue Element #     Amount
800 - Revenues                     1,000,000
808 - Sales deductions             100,000
800 - 808 = Net Revenue            900,000
893 - Cost of Sales               90,000
231 - Price Difference              10,000
Total                               1,000,000
You may get amount from source system in 2-3 diff currencies like controlling area curr, transaction curr...
Sometimes range of accounts correspond to a value. Ex: Accounts 800-900 resemble revenue.
In such a case you may create Text node in hierarchy called revenue and use it in report (if no hierarchy available from the source system) or create selection in the report.,

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