HD Camcorders regarding NTSC PAL

If I record a movie with a PAL HD camcorder, can I play it on a NTSC HDTV via HDMI cable?
I want to buy an HD camcorder in Hong Kong, but not sure if I'll be able to edit movies and produce DVD's that can play in Canada.

NTSC is standard definition only. In North America, DTV (including HDTV) is only broadcast under the ATSC television standard.
If you record in PAL, chances are that your camera will not output a NTSC signal ... but check the camera's owner's manual to be sure.
-DH

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Used to, but now can't detect a NTSC/PAL external monitor.

This has come up in this forum as well as others in the past. Here is the syndrome:
1. iBook (or other) is hooked up to an external NTSC/PAL monitor (in my case a Sumsung LCD TV) via the mini-VGA/S-Video out.
2. Works perfectly for some period of time, days to years, as far as I've seen people post.
3. Suddenly, iBook does not recognize the external NTSC monitor, and outputs crap onto the monitor.
4. Detect display in the preferences only gives the native LCD (ibook) and a VGA external monitor.
5. This doesn't go away, and no one has found a way to make it go away.
Anyone figure out what the crap is going on with this? ANYONE HAVE A SOLUTION???

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NTSC, PAL or Universal?

Firstly sorry if this is in under the wrong topic although I am a FCP user.
Im currently in the US and want to buy a Canon HV20 HD Mini DV camcorder. US camcorders are NTSC but I am from the UK where it is PAL.
I have been told High Def video is universal and not NTSC or PAL.
Is this true? Can anyone shed some light on this topic for me?
I understand I can convert in FCP but really didnt want to do this, is High Def the same spec any where in the world?
Thank you.

Unfortunately, your assumption that HD video is universally the same across the globe is incorrect - I wish it wasn't. There is a wide variety of resolutions, codecs and frame rates on the market, and only few camcorders give you the option of shooting at frame rates compatible with either a base of 25 fps (PAL-territory) or 30 fps (NTSC-territory).
The following links should give you a better idea of what's going on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_video
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television
HTH,
Ron

HDV NTSC/PAL machine with HDMI output ???????????? To hire????

I live in the UK where we have PAL...I have a big job to do that is NTSC HDV...
What can I use to play out the tapes into my FC2.....
I have a sony HC7 buts its PAL....I also have access to couple of bigger sony cameras that play Ntsc/Pal but dont have HDMI to access the full HDV to capture it using Pro Rez via my Blachmagic card/HDMI////....
What is best to hire>>>>>

Thanks for your reply....
NO the material is in NTSC and that is what i want to keep it in for NTSC DVD release....Its just that the camera i have is PAL....
And I need to find something with HDMI out to access the raw HDV format....
Cheers
ROB

G4 with OS X 10.4.11 and DVD's in various formats (NTSC, PAL, SECAM).

Can a G4 AGP Graphics “Sawtooth” running OS X 10.4.11 Tiger play DVD's in the various regional formats (such as NTSC, PAL, and SECAM) an unlimited number of times, or is there a limit to how often the capability to play a particular format can be switched to the capability to play a different one?

Using an application such as VLC should optimize format playability. It may also help with the region code issue. The "number of times" isn't to do with the DVD format, it has to do with region codes set into the DVD by the media distributors. You can change that 5 times and then the DVD player is locked in forever. Try VLC and it may help with both the format playback and maybe get around the region code issue (disable Apple's own automatic DVD Player activation).
VLC media player - http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ - general media player that plays just about anything.
Niceplayer - http://code.google.com/p/niceplayer/

NTSC - PAL colors conversion for betacam

I need to get a video file that is NTSC (no compression 8bit) into PAL (no compression 8bit) to edit it in Final cut pro 5.1.4 and to put titles from Motion, to finally put it on a betacam tape. To be shure that the conversion (NTSC-PAL) is well done, I gave the NTSC file to a professionel conversion compagny. (I tried to do it myself with compressor and with the plug-in natress, but was not completly satisfied with the result).
Now my problem is that the conversion company didn't compensate the modification of colors during the conversion. So now I have a file in pal (no compression 8bit) but the colors are lighter then the original file in NTSC.
Can someone tip me on a way to modify the colors in Final cut pro of my file in PAL? I know how to use most of the filters, but I don't now much about doing it professionally. I was hoping that there could be a filter or a plugin that is made for my kind of problem, and I'm afraid of making a mistake because I never prepaired a file for a betacam tape before. Do I have to be carefull with the percentage of black or of white? Do I have to work in RGB or YUV?
My second question is: the video PAL that was converted from NTSC has lines where there is quick movement when I look at it in Final cut pro or Quicktime. (the original NTSC file didn't have them) Should I use a filter to desinterlace it or will these lines disapear any way on the betcam tape? But I'm puting titles with Motion, so those titles don't have lines... How will they mix with the video?
Thanks for your help
Louie

Hi mish,
that is such a .. <searching correct english word> hillarious (?) idea, I give you a star for that ;-)))
changing some flags on a ready-made dvd... wow! nice try...- but as Fred said, NTSC<<>>PAL conversions are no trivial tasks... you run into many problems, e.g. where do you get the additonal 5 frames per second you need for a transfer from PAL to NTSC? how to make the audio fit to these new pictures? and, I HAVE to do this silly joke: NTSC has a very different color concept (Never The Same Color) then PAL.. and for sure a different res...
the name is irritating, but all mighty JES Deinterlacer is doing a fantastic job in converting video standards (ok, for a free software solution...) give that a try!

NTSC/PAL conversion question

On my vacation I took a lot of video clips with my digital camera, and made them into a movie. However, some of the people I want to send a movie to are in Europe/Africa, and need to view it in PAL format. When I made the movie, I did it in NTSC, format. When I transfer to iDVD, do I need to change the format in iMovie or in iDVD? If I have to do it in iMovie, do I have to completely redo the whole thing? Or is there a way to just convert the present NTSC version to the PAL version? If so, how? (I solved by lack of hard drive space by getting a new hard drive placed in my Power Mac-now have 100GB).

Hi dianeh,
most many/all dvdplayers over here are able to
read/playback NTSC dvds... no problem at all...
second:
export whole project as QT dv stream (1h = 13GB)...
import that into JES Deinterlacer, for free
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeschot/home.html
choose conversion NTSC>PAL
another 13Gig per hour....
import THAT into iDVD
burn PAL version.......
hope I could be helpful
Tank you-I'll give it a try!!

Apple TV/FM Card NTSC - PAL switch?

G'day,
Long shot I know... but after opening my TAM on the weekend, and examining the TV/FM tuner card, I saw it was a Philips brand card. So I wrote to Philips Australia to see if they happened to have any laying around.
No, they said, but - some of their TV tuner cards were "switchable" between formats... I was told.
I've put the TAM back together again now, and would rather not open it back up for nothing...
Can anyone out there shed light on this? Apple only have 1 reference number for the TV/FM card - they don't distinguish between regions - NTSC, PAL, or SECAM. Could this be because they just have to flick a switch on the card to tell it which zone it's in???
I do realise that the cards also have different connectors... (NTSC has screw-on antenna connectors, whereas PAL and (I think) SECAM have just slide-on ones) But is that all the difference? and you just flick a switch somewhere for the region?
Cheers
cosmic

The video input standard is selected in the Apple Video Player program, so there's no need for different verions of the TV or TV/FM card. The correct video input standard (NTSC, PAL, or SECAM) for your region is pre-set, according to the region version of the Apple OS that was installed. To change the setting, select "Preferences" within the Apple Video Player program. In addition to the video input standard, you'll find settings for movie compression and the remote control. An adapter is required to change the TV/FM card's coaxial "F" type connector to a different type. Here is the User Manual for the TV/FM card. It should provide you with answers to most questions that you might have.
Incidentally, optional Apple input/expansion cards (like the TV/FM card) or specific components found on these cards are typically manufactured by well-known, third-party semiconductor companies, but the cards are considered "Apple" products. As such, third-party companies (like Philips) won't stock these products. For example, Motorola made many of Apple's PowerPC processor chips, but they never stocked/sold the motherboards on which these processors were soldered.

HDV NTSC & PAL to SD DVD

PLEASE HELP!!
I've got two different projects that need to be combined into one dvd for the client.
problem is the first project was shot and edited as HDV 1080/60i and the second at
1080/50i, so i have an NTSC sequence and a PAL sequence.
the DVD needs to be in PAL.
also, i'm completely confused in regards to getting HDV to a SD DVD.
can't figure out what's the fastest, highest quality workflow.
thus far using compressor and dvd studio pro 4 to build the DVD using just the PAL sequence i've gotten nothing but interlaced awful looking video.
i've searched the boards on these subjects but i'm still not getting anywhere, just more confused.
any guidance is greatly appreciated!
thank you

thanks RedTruck, i will try this!
quick question:
is JES deinterlacer the best way to convert the NTSC HDV to PAL HDV (or 1080/60i to 1080/50i)?
client also now wants this on PAL digibeta, so i'm thinking maybe the easiest way of doing all this is getting everything to 1080/50i HDV PAL, exporting via the camera back to HDV tape then taking the HDV tape to a dub house and have it downconverted there to DigiBeta. from that, reimport as SD PAL to make the PAL DVDs. how does this sound?

I need to author DVD for both ntsc, pal,& different regions.Need some help

Hey guys
I have a school project in relation with a company. We have to create many DVDs for there training courses. They train dogs and they need us to edit the video footage and author the dvds READY FOR SALE.
First off. I don't know at this moment but I believe that these dvds might need to be in both pal and ntsc format, maybe also in different regions. Therefore my first question is
1. What format should I convert the video footage to, before I start my video editing, if I want to author my final edit to dvd?
--> Would it be mpeg2 min 6 mbps max 8 mbps because as I know that is the format for dvd. Or do you leave it as the native camera format eg DV.
2. What frame size should I convert that original video footage to aswell?
3. What things do I need to know regarding pal and ntsc formats. How do I prepare a dvd ready for both formats? What format do I edit in
4. What do I need to know regarding doifferent regions, and how do I set up my dvd for different regions?
5. Is there anything else I need to know before I start editing so I do get into any trouble later on?

dang itpowda, you killing me.. haha jk!
anyway, ok i see where you can be confused. hopefully this can answer yoru questions.
ok in the NTSC world, if you are creating a graphic file for exampe for TV, then you would create the file with a square pixel (PAR = 1.0 in this case) and your frame size will be 720x540 only because if you create it using the rectagular NTSC pixel, your image will look sueezed and you would have to resize the graphic anyway for TV because remember, you would be creating it on a computer monitor that has a PAR of 1.0 natively, although your DAR is the same, the PAR is not. now, when you have video in D1 NTSC, you would have a rectangular pixel (PAR = 0.9 in this case) and a frame size of 720x486.
ok, now PAL. once again, if we are creating a CG file for video on a computer, we can creat it using a square pixel and then resize it for PAL TV and the PAR in this case would be 720x768. the reason for this is because in PAL, the PAR is 1.0667, NOT .09 as in NTSC. both standards share the same rectangular pixel.
now for the DAR. lets assume we are talking about a full frame TV set for a minute. we know that both PAL and NTSC standards, although with different PAR (0.9 vs. 1.0667) have the same DAR (in this case 1.33:1 in decimal form which you obtain from dividing the ratio (whole number) first number by the second). you have to remember we get the DAR of 4:3 assuming that it is a FF picture because the image on the screen takes up 4 units wide to 3 units high. in PAL or NTSC this is true, regardless of PAR. the differences in PAL and NTSC come from the refresh rate, PAR, frame rate and color space to name some and keep it simplistic.
i hope that is somewhat clear. now, to answer your questions:
First thing. If PAL and NTSC both had a PAR of 1:1, they would both have a DAR of 720*540, true?
nope, if you have or want a PAR of 1:1 (to create CG files), then NTSC would be 720x540 and PAL would be 720x768.
the rest of your questions are pretty much false :P
now, you might be wondering, HOW N THE HECK DID HE GET THOSE NUMBERS!
ok, lets say you need to create a CG file on a computer, but want to keep the PAR right (remember, if you create said file with a frame size of 720x576 and a DAR of 1:1, your image will be squeezed a bit) you have to take into account a specific formula in video needed to do such and many more conversions!
let me show you how i obtained 720x768 for a PAR of 1:1...
we know we want to keep the width the same, since we are creating a image file for the PAL video.
lets get some numbers straight first:
width = 576
DAR = 4:3 (or 1.333 in decimal form)
so it would be 576 * 1.333 = 767.808 OR as a whole number 768.
how did i get the above formula:
i know the DAR of my input (from 4:3 video), i know the PAR of my ouput (from a 1:1 CG file) and i have my height from video (576). so the unknown variable in this case is the width.
so it would look something like this:
width = 576 * (4/3) / (1/1)
ok, we know that we want to convert the ratio of 4:3 and 1:1 into decimals (makes it easier to work with mathmatically).
when we do this, we get:
w = 576 * 1.333 / 1
we know that when you divide a number by one, you get the same value back, so for simplicity sake, lets take the sole 1 out, since it doesnt matter because 1.333 wont change in value:
w = 576 * 1.333 = 676.808 or when you round up to the nearest whole number, you get w = 678!
as long as you have the 3 of the 4 possible variables for the above formual, you can mathmatically get the variable you need.
i am exhausted, i need a beer!
Mikey M.

FCP-compressor-NTSC/PAL workflow problems...

Hello there,
I'm writing this thread on behalf of a collegue of mine who is in a bit of a pickle... I've been on the phone to him all morning and i'm stumped...
He's just finished offline-editing a new feature film by Nicolas Roeg (walkabout, performance etc) and needs to churn out a DVD for viewing-update purposes, here is the tech info followed by the problem...
ok... so, in FCP he has the sequence and media at photoJPEG quality.
The editing timebase for the sequence is 24 fps.
The problem is that he wants to make a PAL DVD, but when he goes into Compressor, and applies the relevant settings, it always comes out as NTSC...?
I've been on the phone to him, and we've both had little test sequences open (only 10" long sequence) to talk through the work-flow, and as I'm not an advanced Compressor user, I can't find ANYTHING in preferences that sets the PAL/NTSC option.
I am under the impression that it is a FCP setting that actually maked the difference... ie, he is currently using photoJPEG, 24fps... which should (for a PAL DVD) be at 25fps, DV quality.
So how do we turn a photoJPEG 24fps sequence into a PAL 25fps file that can be squidged in Compressor to make a PAL DVD...
I hope I'm making sense... and HUGE thanks in advance for any help.
regards,
J

Perhaps do an intermediate first? The automatic settings in compressor are designed to choose which frame rate it thinks is best for you, so will make the wrong decision sometimes, in terms of your desired output. Try making a new mpeg2 setting, based on the preset for dvd, and change the frame rate to 25. It will then force it to pal 25. Or if it doesn't look great, change to a quicktime first with the same settings as your mate's sequence output, apart from the frame rate which you should force to 25. Then put this new movie back into compressor with the dvd setting.
Try it on a short clip first (a minute or so), then you won't waste time with something that isn't going to work.

Compressor NTSC/PAL workflow problems...

Hello there, before i begin i admit i have double-posted this on the FCP discussions too...
I'm writing this thread on behalf of a collegue of mine who is in a bit of a pickle and doesn't have internet/forum access... I've been on the phone to him all morning and i'm stumped...
He's just finished offline-editing a new feature film by Nicolas Roeg (walkabout, performance etc) and needs to churn out a DVD for viewing-update purposes, here is the tech info followed by the problem...
ok... so, in FCP he has the sequence and media at photoJPEG quality.
The editing timebase for the sequence is 24 fps.
The problem is that he wants to make a PAL DVD, but when he goes into Compressor, and applies the relevant settings, it always comes out as NTSC...?
I've been on the phone to him, and we've both had little test sequences open (only 10" long sequence) to talk through the work-flow, and as I'm not an advanced Compressor user, I can't find ANYTHING in preferences that sets the PAL/NTSC option.
I am under the impression that it is a FCP setting that actually maked the difference... ie, he is currently using photoJPEG, 24fps... which should (for a PAL DVD) be at 25fps, DV quality.
So how do we turn a photoJPEG 24fps sequence into a PAL 25fps file that can be squidged in Compressor to make a PAL DVD...
I hope I'm making sense... and HUGE thanks in advance for any help.
regards,
J

Perhaps do an intermediate first? The automatic settings in compressor are designed to choose which frame rate it thinks is best for you, so will make the wrong decision sometimes, in terms of your desired output. Try making a new mpeg2 setting, based on the preset for dvd, and change the frame rate to 25. It will then force it to pal 25. Or if it doesn't look great, change to a quicktime first with the same settings as your mate's sequence output, apart from the frame rate which you should force to 25. Then put this new movie back into compressor with the dvd setting.
Try it on a short clip first (a minute or so), then you won't waste time with something that isn't going to work.

NTSC & PAL Widescreen DVD from Flash Animation

Hey Everyone. I have a question regarding a project I am finishing up. I created an animation in flash that is being exported to both NTSC Widescreen DVD and PAL Widescreen DVD.
I started with 1024x576 in flash and created a sweet animation with audio. (Its a 1 min animation that will be looped for conventions etc)
For NTSC
From Flash I exported a 853x480 animation and imported it into FCP to add some fades to the beginning and end and make a few tweaks. I exported out another 853x480 video and imported it into DVDSP set to NTSC Widescreen. I burned the disc and everything looks great on my screen (letterbox on my crappy home tv)
For my PAL version I followed a similar process.
From Flash I exported a 1024x576 animation and imported it into FCP to add some fades to the beginning and end and make a few tweaks. I exported out another 1024x576 video and imported it into DVDSP set to PAL Widescreen.
The thing I noticed is that the video in the viewer seems stretched where as the NTSC looked perfect.
Am I missing something here? Where did I go wrong. Should i have set the video size smaller in FCP and outputted the proper video size (NTSC 720 x 480 and PAL 720 x 576) to bring into DVDSP? I don't know why one would look ok and the other would look stretched.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
Fish

Fish:
Try this in FCP:
PAL VIDEO
- Select Easy Setup DV PAL
- Create a new sequence and open it
- Go to menu Sequence > Settings...
- Change Quicktime Video Settings Compressor from DV-PAL to uncompressed 8 bit
- Check the anamorphic option
- Import your movie and make it fit the canvas (check the Distort option in the Motion tab)
- Do your edit
- Export your timeline as Animation.
Same for the NTSC but using DV NTSC Easy Setup and so . . .
If I don't missed something your movies must be fine in DVDSP.
Hope it helps!
Alberto

Using NTSC & PAL DVX100s Together

Hello Friends!
I'm in Italy working on a documentary. I have a DVX100 that I brought with me from the U.S. and is therefore NTSC. My newly hired Italian cinematographer has a DVX100 that is PAL. Would it be wise to shoot 24PA on both cameras to avoid the problem of mixing standards? Or have I failed to grasp what 24PA is and would be mixing standards anyway?
As a side note, I have already shot some B-roll on my DVX using standard 24P, but it will not be a significant portion of the final film. Does that change anything?
What would you experts ("elitists" they're calling you now?) recommend?
Thanks a lot!
Cameron

Not sure how the PAL DVX handles progressive modes.
You could ask that on the DVX user forum or perhaps one of our PAL DVX users on the forum will jump in here.
Still, while 24P or PA specifies how fields are written to the tape, it does not specify the size of the image. That's based on the video format. DV NTSC is 720x480 and DV PAL is 720x576.
Graeme Nattress makes a well regarded Standards converter. You should be able to contact him through his website (www.nattress.com). See what he thinks would set you up for the smoothest conversions.
Good luck
x

How to edit together NTSC, PAL, and Mpeg Formats

for this Museum installation that I am compiling I have to get footage from a variety of sources and media, mostly VHS and DVD. The final output would be as a Mpeg2 to be played on a server. What is the best compression to use for editing? DVpal, was my first guess, but then I also have some NTSC material which would have to be edited together with PAL stuff. How do I convert one to the other. Should I use an uncompressed format for quality, or edit in the Mpeg2 format I hope to export.
Thanks very much for your help on this confusing subject
Peter

If your final output will be in PAL then it would likely be best to edit using DV-PAL as was your first guess, especially as most of your footage will be coming from low resolution sources anyway. Of course, higher quality will always be better, but if its not for projection and/or broadcast then the relatively lower quality of DV or DV50 woud be ample.
For capture from VHS you would definately benefit if you could run it through a TBC (timebase corrector), see if you can get hold of one.
For converting NTSC to PAL you can go with a cheap convertor (you'll get a cheap looking conversion) or you could just render it out from FCP (you'll have long render times and a cheap looking conversion) ... you could use Compressor, which would get you a much better conversion, but if you have any kind of budget, then invest in Graeme Natress's very affordable Standards Converter plugins - they'll give you top quality conversions that would give a very expensive hardware based converter a run for its money ... and they render faster than Apple's bulit-in conversion too.
Good luck
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