MSI Lightning GTX770 questions

Hello,
I am looking at the possibility of purchasing a GTX770 Lightning card, and have a few questions.
Firstly, does anyone know MSI's policy with regards to swapping out the stock cooler for a waterblock?
Secondly, are the GPUs binned for performance and low leakage, therefore coming with additional overclocking headroom, or are they simply average GPUs with the headroom used up with the stock overclock that comes on the card?
Thirdly, I heard the 680 lightning cards were discontinued a while back as NVidia was forcing manufacturers to prevent end user voltage adjustments. I also heard that MSI was deemed to be pushing the voltage and clocks of the cards too far, compromising GPU longevity and overall stability. So why is it these models have been re-released with the 770 line up, and overvolting enabled, considering it's still the same Kepler GPU? Does anyone have figures for what the voltage is on this card?
Finally, would it be accurate to say the GPUs are likely to last for less time than on cards with lower GPU clocks?
Thanks!
Odai.

Quote from: Odaik on 06-June-13, 10:07:20
Firstly, does anyone know MSI's policy with regards to swapping out the stock cooler for a waterblock?
you are allowed to change the cooler to a waterblock without any problem as long as you keep the original cooler and screws for the card if something goes wrong with it so long as you don't cause any Physical damage in removing the cooler...
Quote from: Odaik on 06-June-13, 10:07:20
Secondly, are the GPUs binned for performance and low leakage, therefore coming with additional overclocking headroom, or are they simply average GPUs with the headroom used up with the stock overclock that comes on the card?
they should have been at least been binned to work at the advertised boost clock speed but anymore frequancy is never guaranteed and just depends on how that individual GPU reacts to more overclocking from its Pre-Overclocked state it come at...
Quote from: Odaik on 06-June-13, 10:07:20
Thirdly, I heard the 680 lightning cards were discontinued a while back as NVidia was forcing manufacturers to prevent end user voltage adjustments. I also heard that MSI was deemed to be pushing the voltage and clocks of the cards too far, compromising GPU longevity and overall stability. So why is it these models have been re-released with the 770 line up, and overvolting enabled, considering it's still the same Kepler GPU? Does anyone have figures for what the voltage is on this card?
they where Discontinued as they had run there Cycle (lightning cards are always limited run due to there High out the box clocks as only a limited amount of Nvidia GPU's that MSI get will be good enougth to reach that level) and what you are referring to is Nvidias Voltage restrictions via there Green Light program that has now stopped all manufacturers from allowing manufacturers to let users overvolt the GPU's past there design limits. as for voltage limits who knows as there doesn't seem to be any data on that...
Quote from: Odaik on 06-June-13, 10:07:20
Finally, would it be accurate to say the GPUs are likely to last for less time than on cards with lower GPU clocks?
i would say yes it will last less time but its down to the individual GPU on the card to how it handles it as no 2 will be the same and of course the lower clocked cards will last longer as they aren't being pushed as hard...

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