Printing prob in logo

Hi all,
I am using company logo in my smartforms!! its in .BMP format....,now the thing is that the image is 10 cm in length and 3 cm in width...some part contains image some containg text while some part is blank...If i put it in smartforms as logo.it gets printed,but the blank part comes in dark patches on the printout.....wht should i do so tht i get the transparent image ?
thanks in advance .....
Edited by: Rob Burbank on Apr 12, 2010 9:12 AM

Hello,
From the True Color graphics only 24 bit True Colors graphics are
supported by SAP.
So check if your image is a true color bitmap with 16,7 millions (24
BitsPerPixel) colors. The SAP has to convert it to a bitmap with 256
colors during the upload. Here the colors can slightly change.
Please decrease the color depth of the image and upload in your system
again.
Maybe the result will be much better after this.
Regards,
David

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The (grossly overthick) 87 x 49mm red rectangle is the trim. So it effectively is the "trim marks". It represents the final card after it is trimmed down to final size. That's the size your cards will be when delivered. That roughly coresponds to the 3.5 x 2 inch dimensions that are considered the norm in the US. I don't know about what's the convention in Europe, but assuming it is the same as in the US, that's the size you want the cards to be. Business cards that are even slightly oversized usually end up in the trash can because they often don't fit pockets in card-carriers or plastic sleeves.
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